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Is standing by your principles really the great thing society makes it out to be?
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One's opinion can change, which is the point you make, however if you bring up one's principles and moral code, then no, this very rarely changes. Usually if this changes that means that something very drastic has happened, and yes this is when one can be called a hypocrite though that is usually just reserved for those whose moral code changes without that drastic catalyst. If such a change occurs to one's morals then it can be argued they never had any morals to begin with.
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In that case, it's pretty sad his viewers weren't mature enough to understand that it's perfectly normal for people to change their opinions. Kind of a weird use of "hypocrite" on their part, since it's not like he stated his changed opinion while really believing something else. Also they should probs take a chill pill--I don't see how this even affects their lives. Clearly they've got their own opinions. If they don't like what he said, they could just unsubscribe.
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im not for sure how closely this relates to what you said but..........

to me life means walking a path. A path where your are the main character of a story about you like a visual novel. how exciting life is for you is about the choices you made in your life. LIFE IS ABOUT MAKING CHOICES AND CHOOSING YOUR OWN PATH!

depending on the choices you made will oddviously determine the ending of you story. Weather you regret the choices you have made, no matter how gruesome they are, no matter how much you live in the past, and how little you live in the present. There is only the future to look forward too, and repent/change from what you have done wrong and make amends for it. always face forward and face the consquences of hte choices you made like a man, i dont mean go out with a bang, i mean chose the lighter path. repent, make amends, and face forward


i completely lost my point i was trying to make

i forgot completely what i was doing too


You don't need to "repent" over anything nor do you need to regret the choices you make because you had to make a choice between two viable options.


In my other post, I didn't address the question and only paid attention to this part of OP's original post;

"Now, a couple of years back TB said Super Smash Brothers should never be taken as an e-sports title, or a competitive game seriously because Nintendo didn't take it seriously either. That it was a party game for a bit of fun and that was it. Later down the line, his views changed after he watched some people playing competitively and he thought that it was definitely more complex than he initially gave it credit for. People then called him out as a hypocrite for saying he now liked it when initially he was against it, as if people can't change their views over time".

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EDIT: I do wish to state I meant 'principles'. At the time of writing this it was nearly 2AM. I'm not on about school principals but unfortunately the title can't be edited to my knowledge.


Mods can edit titles, so I fixed that.

I think standing by your principles is a pretty great thing, but It doesn't mean never changing your opinion. In fact, sometimes standing by one's principles may require changing one's opinion, and being vocal about the revised opinion.

I agree that changing one's opinion is not hypocrisy, especially when one comes right out and says that one used to think one thing, but now thinks another for a stated reason.

Stating a new opinion and pretending one never had another would be less principled, but I don't think even that would be hypocrisy.

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lorreen wrote:


BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

EDIT: I do wish to state I meant 'principles'. At the time of writing this it was nearly 2AM. I'm not on about school principals but unfortunately the title can't be edited to my knowledge.


Mods can edit titles, so I fixed that.

I think standing by your principles is a pretty great thing, but It doesn't mean never changing your opinion. In fact, sometimes standing by one's principles may require changing one's opinion, and being vocal about the revised opinion.

I agree that changing one's opinion is not hypocrisy, especially when one comes right out and says that one used to think one thing, but now thinks another for a stated reason.

Stating a new opinion and pretending one never had another would be less principled, but I don't think even that would be hypocrisy.



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SaintJames012 wrote:

One's opinion can change, which is the point you make, however if you bring up one's principles and moral code, then no, this very rarely changes. Usually if this changes that means that something very drastic has happened, and yes this is when one can be called a hypocrite though that is usually just reserved for those whose moral code changes without that drastic catalyst. If such a change occurs to one's morals then it can be argued they never had any morals to begin with.


Disagree.

Hypocrisy is violating your principles. acting contrary to them.

Openly renouncing one principle in favour of a new one Is NOT hypocrisy.

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Changing a principle in favor of a new one is not hypocrisy, it is growth, if done with reflection and consideration. Principles are something that you standby, for if you don't then you can fall for anything. It doesn't mean that when confronted on your principles that you should easily change them, but they can change is an instance when easily recognized by yourself as malformed. Remember that principles are a tool for your use and not your master.

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I've always looked at myself as some principle-driven, stubborn idiot who, though quite easily influenced, would stand by her beliefs but is very open to criticism, and by that i mean I'd willingly listen but won't necessarily take them to heart. I believe my actions shape me, not what people think of me.

My actions have always been based on my principles. There would be times however when the right thing to do goes against a certain principle of mine.. but that doesn't mean the principle is wrong, does it? The right thing isn't always a good thing and the same goes with principles. They're not always beneficial to either you or the people around you. Anyway, I usually find myself doing the right thing (and then freaking out). And now and then, I find that my principles have changed overtime and it's fine. *shrug*
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My principles are all based on objective evidence, or preference, so it would take something extraordinary to change them. Like a tank, a tank rolling over me would work. But I would still be flipping off said tank as it did so.

As people have already mentioned, there is of course a difference between going with the flow, and simply pretending you believed differently all along. It's actually somewhat difficult to do the first, and only a coward does the second. But the lighthouse in the storm has a tougher job than the waves, and if the lighthouse is correct - bring it on.
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Disagree.

Hypocrisy is violating your principles. acting contrary to them.

Openly renouncing one principle in favour of a new one Is NOT hypocrisy.



If it's done for the sole purpose of benefiting one's self, then yes it would also fall into that category.
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Disagree.

Hypocrisy is violating your principles. acting contrary to them.

Openly renouncing one principle in favour of a new one Is NOT hypocrisy.



If it's done for the sole purpose of benefiting one's self, then yes it would also fall into that category.


again disagree.

Self improvement is a benefit of oneself. One's principles however much they benefit others are one of the most private and selfish things we own.

Now if you mean someone abandons a principle for personal gain such as wealth or power. Perhaps. If the principle in question was related to such a gain.

but again Abandoning or renouncing a principle is not Hypocrisy. It might be in poor character. But to be a hypocrite you have to actively contradict your principles.

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that is in no way a hypocrite. he'd be a hypocrite if he keeps complementing it and is still bashing it. makes no sense.

for you to post this, either you really like this guy or the flaming is intensive.




No, I posted it simply because I was interested in the topic and people's thoughts on the matter. It could have happened to anyone, frankly. He's not being flamed for it anymore, and I'm not so overly fond of him that my fondness would make me dedicate a topic to the situation on that alone. I don't see why either of those points have to apply for me to be interested on peoples thoughts on standing by your principles or changing your views. His case is simply for the sake of a recent and easily accessible example where he makes valid points on what I believe were the stupid points made by those calling him a hypocrite. At the end of the day I don't see why you think it matters. In no way does it alter your impressions on the actual subject.

Also, in your examples, to my understanding being gay causes no harm to anyone, it just makes those involved capable of living a happy life. Zoophilia is apparently the reason humans have AIDS since that was meant to be exclusive to apes, or so I heard. And Racism is cruel to the race being degraded. 2 people in a loving relationship is not degrading or cruel, or of detrimental harm to humans, inflicting them with an illness that could kill a large portion of humanity. Also, in zoophilia, there's no accurate way of telling the animal that isn't human is consenting. Being gay is between two consenting people of the same species, and homosexuality is also proven to exist in other animals.


I don't know why I was stuck onto that topic. For all I know I might have been in a bad mood, but I really don't remember.

I am by no means against anything i posted. I understand the science behind it. I was just stating those to exemplify how sticking to your principles are considered to be great when your ideals match those of society. The flow over time may change. yes it is true that my examples are utterly horrid but i wanted use things of the extreme end. I don't know why I chose relationship.
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