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Why combo pack and less standard single BD/DVD sets?
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Posted 3/22/14
So one thing crossed my mind when I was surfing amazon for potential purchases. Steins;Gate caught my eye easily, but I was kinda uncomfortable with something. Both sets came with BD+DVD included, and it seemed to be at a reasonable price ranging from $30-40... but what if I just want either just a BD or DVD set? I notice most of the sets Sentai releases include either just BD or DVD. Meanwhile, I'm also having an pretty hard time finding non-premium/limited edition sets by Aniplex, and even if I do the majority are quite pricey I tell you. Now, my point here is not to argue or complain about monetary problems, but why do I see formats like BD+DVD or solely limited editions with a lack of standard at times? Sure if one likes the extras stuff that comes with the limited and can afford it, that's fine. But what's the purpose of adding another set of discs if one is looking for more economical options in several cases?
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I have always figured that these DVD/BD releases appeal to some people as a better value. Instead of spending $40 on the series on DVD, you can spend $60 and get the series on DVD AND BD. Even if you don't have a Blu-ray player, it makes sense to spend more for worthless crap you don't need. MOAR IS BETTER. THIS IS AMERICA. One format of a series is definitely not enough. I need two, or maybe even three.

In all seriousness, I have never bought a series on DVD and wished I had it on Blu-ray as well. I will pay for a limited edition release if I really want it, but the normal DVD release is usually fine. When a company releases a combo pack, they aren't trying to provide an economical option to the consumer. They are forcing you to pay a bit more to have the series. That is how I look at it anyway.
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Well here's the thing. Funimation, who does the BD/DVD combo sets usually charges the same as a straight BD Sentai release, comparing the same number of episodes and dubbed, so you aren't losing out, the advantage in doing it this way is that everyone is forced into buying the same set, and those who eventually upgrade to Blu-Ray has a copy of the shows they buy. The disadvantage is you don't get accurate numbers on the actual people buying it for the BD's only.
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I asked this before and the I was told it was because were at a time where most people are just starting to convert from dvd to blu-ray. It was created so they won't have to re-buy their movies.
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Posted 3/23/14
Don't forget, Sentai doesn't have the money to release separate packs. It's cheaper to release both versions in the same pack, and charge a little more.

Else you'll have one selling 60% and the other 20% and shit just gets all nasty.

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Frankly I don't see why they don't come as combo packs now as per unit production costs of DVD's has to be dirt cheap with BR's probably a few cents more. I look at it as a watch set along with a backup set if anything ever happened to the main discs.
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I've noticed the triple pack option when buying, films is getting popular, blu ray, dvd , and a digital download code for a few pounds more than a blu ray.
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1. As someone pointed out, adding the DVDs to the Blu-Ray set costs just a few cents more. But, because people perceive a greater value, they can charge more for those sets and make a greater profit.

2. As to also including digital downloads for a few bucks more, this is an anti-piracy move. It makes it where fewer people try to rip the content from the disks, and reduces the number of people downloading and sharing pirated content.
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Specifically for your question about Aniplex, they charge an arm and a leg because they can. They're more secure targeting a smaller market for a higher price than a broader release for a reasonable price. For example, if you have five people who are willing to pay: $250, $150, $50, $30, and $5 for a series, your best pricing model would be for $150.

1 x $250 = $250.
2 x $150 = $300.
3 x $50 = $150.
4 x $30 = $120.
5 x $5 = $25.

(You'd want to then factor in fixed and variable costs to that, etc., but simple example is simple.)

Especially since the lower you go, the less disposable income those people will budget for something like anime, and the more likely they are to turn to Hulu, simulcasts, or piracy. So Aniplex grabs big titles with quality demand (Kara no Kyoukai, Fate/Zero, etc.), figures out the size of demand, and sells a limited release to those buyers for a high price.

This also means they usually make their money back with interest within 24 hours of release, so they're happy campers.

It's just a way for them to minimize risk and take less of a gamble on broad demographic appeal.
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Student_Zero wrote:

Now, my point here is not to argue or complain about monetary problems, but why do I see formats like BD+DVD or solely limited editions with a lack of standard at times?

If you go into retailers that sell anime, you'll likely note the shelf space for it is rather limited. Combining both formats into one package doesn't up the cost greatly, but it does prevent the retailer from either having to use twice as much shelf space (or cut the number of available copies), or chose to carry only one format.

It is also helpful for buyers that may only have DVD now, but have an eye on upgrading to Blu-ray in the future. With a dual pack, they are more likely to purchase immediately.

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I came to this thread only to realize more people don't have Blu-rays than I thought. I thought it was just one of those things that everyone pretty much had now.
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I came to this thread only to realize more people don't have Blu-rays than I thought. I thought it was just one of those things that everyone pretty much had now.


When I visit my local Redboxes for the "hot new release" the DVD version will always be out or stock for weeks at a time while the Blu-ray will almost always be available. Additionally none of the people I know own Blu-ray players despite many being very tech conscious.

I'm sure producers are aware the Blu-ray format hasn't penetrated very far in the US market thus why combo packs are the norm across many studios, not just in anime. Unlike the days of VHS vs Beta Blu-rays are trying to supplant an established market. And unlike comparing the quality and functionality of a VHS to a DVD where DVDs showed a significant and clear superiority Blu-rays are just an improved version of DVDs. Combo packs will be the norm for years to come in the US.

And that's assuming cloud-based or another Internet based format doesn't come along that garners enough popularity to make both effectively obsolete.

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Stonewolfe wrote:
I came to this thread only to realize more people don't have Blu-rays than I thought. I thought it was just one of those things that everyone pretty much had now.


When I visit my local Redboxes for the "hot new release" the DVD version will always be out or stock for weeks at a time while the Blu-ray will almost always be available. Additionally none of the people I know own Blu-ray players despite many being very tech conscious.

I'm sure producers are aware the Blu-ray format hasn't penetrated very far in the US market thus why combo packs are the norm across many studios, not just in anime. Unlike the days of VHS vs Beta Blu-rays are trying to supplant an established market. And unlike comparing the quality and functionality of a VHS to a DVD where DVDs showed a significant and clear superiority Blu-rays are just an improved version of DVDs. Combo packs will be the norm for years to come in the US.



Oh I don't bash the combo packs, I prefer them generally so I get the choice of using my blu ray in my bedroom or the old DvD player which currently sits in my families game room (given I think the Xbox One can play BluRay). I'm just surprised more by how people don't have BluRay players given most players from like Best Buy that I see are Blu Ray players now except from maybe the clearance section, and the big consoles Xbox and PS play them as well as far as I know.

I also completely agree on the DvD vs Bluray part, only time I have noticed a big difference between the two is when it is a newer movie using better equipment I guess to make the movie, and I only really notice the difference on my HDTV not our old regular TV. For my TV's it kind of works like HDTV+BR > HDTV+DVD = TV+BR > TV+DvD if that makes any sense.
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Stonewolfe wrote:

I came to this thread only to realize more people don't have Blu-rays than I thought. I thought it was just one of those things that everyone pretty much had now.


One other thing to keep in mind about Blu-ray is that the region code in Japan is shared with North America, and because of this subtitles are often locked when the Japanese track is playing. There are lots of people who want to watch their anime the same way those in Japan do it. There are no such restrictions with the DVD release because of the different region codes. The reason for subtitle locking is that the main source of revenue comes from the sales of Japanese BD releases, and having a North American product that's much cheaper and compatible with Japanese players makes reverse importation a huge threat. So there is also that angle to go from because of all of the restrictions involved with regards to subtitles.
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Stonewolfe wrote:

I came to this thread only to realize more people don't have Blu-rays than I thought. I thought it was just one of those things that everyone pretty much had now.


One other thing to keep in mind about Blu-ray is that the region code in Japan is shared with North America, and because of this subtitles are often locked when the Japanese track is playing. There are lots of people who want to watch their anime the same way those in Japan do it. There are no such restrictions with the DVD release because of the different region codes. The reason for subtitle locking is that the main source of revenue comes from the sales of Japanese BD releases, and having a North American product that's much cheaper and compatible with Japanese players makes reverse importation a huge threat. So there is also that angle to go from because of all of the restrictions involved with regards to subtitles.



It's also the reason why The NA releases for BD's are 6-12 months later than the initial BD release in Japan.
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