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Name One Trope of Anime That Pisses You Off
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Almost every genre of anime has a few good examples and a lot which are kinda shit.

I suppose the thing that pisses me off the most is when an anime takes a very interesting premise, and then throws all the story and character development out the window immediately to make room for more ecchi bullshit. Demon King Daimao, Familliar of Zero, I Couldn't Become a Hero [...], Highschool of the Dead...

There are so many shows that would be magnificent stories if they would just tell the damn story, but instead somebody decided they'd make more money by showcasing badly drawn bouncing tits for half an hour.

Yeah, yeah, 'sex sells' and all that dross. But in this modern era of infinite free internet pornography, is there still really more money to be made on shitty softcore than on interesting shows?
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rampage22 wrote:

Animes I don't really want to watch are animes that feed off other animes fame. Like when SAO got big .... BOOM LOG HORIZON and BTOOM! just appeared out of no where. Don't get me wrong both are good animes I just feel like people ran out of ideas and can't come up with anything original. But at the same time if you really wanted to you could compare .Hack or even Digimon to them, but I do mean like just soon after one anime of that topic gets large everyone decides to make one too. there is a large time gap from .Hack and SAO.


theirs actually a theory stating that all things in media are spawned off each other ~~~i am not for sure how to elaborate on this, i hope you get what i mean


if someone could help me explain this that would be great and hopefully you get what i mean


Sindri42 wrote:

Almost every genre of anime has a few good examples and a lot which are kinda shit.

I suppose the thing that pisses me off the most is when an anime takes a very interesting premise, and then throws all the story and character development out the window immediately to make room for more ecchi bullshit. Demon King Daimao, Familliar of Zero, I Couldn't Become a Hero [...], Highschool of the Dead...

There are so many shows that would be magnificent stories if they would just tell the damn story, but instead somebody decided they'd make more money by showcasing badly drawn bouncing tits for half an hour.

Yeah, yeah, 'sex sells' and all that dross. But in this modern era of infinite free internet pornography, is there still really more money to be made on shitty softcore than on interesting shows?



and their is psychology about that, but i am pretty sure explaining it may result in a ban

i rather not risk it lol

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Anamalous wrote:theirs actually a theory stating that all things in media are spawned off each other ~~~i am not for sure how to elaborate on this, i hope you get what i mean


if someone could help me explain this that would be great and hopefully you get what i mean

Well to start with, nothing is created in a vacuum. Every writer or other artist takes what they see in their life, all the fiction they've consumed, mixes it all up, and uses their own creativity to mix parts of all of it together and spit out something new-ish, maybe (rarely) with a small entirely original twist. A lot of the tropes you see in even the most niche of modern fiction have their origins in stories going back to almost the time of Gilgamesh, if not the unrecorded oral traditions that spat that out.

The development of creative works is less revolution and more evolution, with each generation taking the same basic parts as what came before, mutating them just a tiny bit, and then tossing them back in the pool. That which is good, the stuff most people generally like, becomes more common as more new writers see it and add it to their resources. That which is bad, or which people are tired of, gradually fades away (with occasional revivals as somebody comes up with a new twist).

That means that anything new, every new genre, starts just like a new species: with a minor change to something that came before, that works well enough to produce a bunch of "offspring" which share enough features to be distinct enough to be recognized as something different. All of Cyberpunk, from Shadowrun to Ghost in the Shell, started when Gibson wrote Neuromancer as a soft sci-fi book. Every magical girl, from Sakura to Madoka, owes their existence to Mahotsukai Sally and Himitsu No Akkochan (which were in turn both inspired by Bewitched).

.hack took a classic "trapped in another world" premise, and gave it a little twist based on the fact that MMORPGs had developed in the real world. Then SAO was pretty blatantly based on it, but did different things in different ways and grew into a story that stands entirely on its own merits. Log Horizon is written as an entirely original story, within the young genre established by its predecessors; it does a lot of things differently and (if the genre continues to develop and it's remembered favorably by history), it'll probably go down as one of the pioneers. In time (again, assuming the genre continues) these three will all be remembered as classics, and honored for their contribution to development, but ultimately overshadowed by the higher quality pieces that will arise as the tropes evolve and more young writers develop things further.
(BTOOOM was further from these and closer to the well-established death game/survival game genre, which is generally connected to the Battle Royale book (or the Hunger Games for westerners who can't be bothered to look at anything more than a decade old) but the genre actually predates even that by at least long enough for Stephen King to write two books in it)

So like it or dislike it on its own merits, but discounting everything which bears a resemblance to its inspirations or source material shuts you out of... literally all fiction. And most of religion. And science.

As for why they clumped up like this, blame the production companies, not the content creators. Manga and Light Novels come up almost as fast as the artists and writers can produce them, but an animated series is a huge investment. Sword Art Online took a long time to get adapted, but the studio was much more confident in getting a return on Log Horizon after seeing how well SAO did. It probably helped that it was made by the same writer behind Maoyu.




Anamalous wrote:and their is psychology about that, but i am pretty sure explaining it may result in a ban

i rather not risk it lol

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This isn't just a trope in anime but in fiction in general, but what always annoys me is a shoehorned in romance. Not every story needs romance in it and it bothers me when a writer decides to force a love story into a work of fiction just for the sake of having one.
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Irybell wrote:

This isn't just a trope in anime but in fiction in general, but what always annoys me is a shoehorned in romance. Not every story needs romance in it and it bothers me when a writer decides to force a love story into a work of fiction just for the sake of having one.


So much this. I love a good romance in my fiction. but nowhere near every story needs one, and trying to shove it where it doesn't belong ruins everything. So many writers seem to have gotten the notion stuck in their heads that men and women are incapable of being friends or comrades, that every relationship needs to consist of either total indifference or conventional romantic love (never hatred or even so much as rivalry, that always turns into her being a tsundere). I particularly hate it when they're people who are not only romantically incompatible, but who would have an interesting dynamic in any sort of relationship other than the shoehorned-in romance. And it gets downright painful when you have to watch a strong and interesting character transition over the course of the plot tumor into nothing more than "hero's girlfriend".
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rampage22 wrote:

Animes I don't really want to watch are animes that feed off other animes fame. Like when SAO got big .... BOOM LOG HORIZON and BTOOM! just appeared out of no where. Don't get me wrong both are good animes I just feel like people ran out of ideas and can't come up with anything original. But at the same time if you really wanted to you could compare .Hack or even Digimon to them, but I do mean like just soon after one anime of that topic gets large everyone decides to make one too. there is a large time gap from .Hack and SAO.


Well right now most of the huge ideas are used up under the fantasy genre. We have everything from vampires to magic, so if someone creates a new monster or power it's most likely gonna end up being a bit of a copy. Lately the only anime under the genre fantasy that managed to create something unique was attack on titan. Maybe that's why it was such a huge success.
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biggest ones for me that need to die in a pit of fire:

1. the same lame ass protagonist over and over. i'm soo tired of seeing shows about a highschool-aged boy with no particularly outstanding traits, until one day... i want to see more characters who have well-defined personalities with actual flaws and strengths not just some blank slate to act as a self-inserts for power/romance fantasies. also, more adults and females center stage would be awesome. i don't have to relate or live vicariously through the protagonist to find them or their stories intriguing.

2. any time romantic progress is about to be made, but then is interrupted at the last possible moment by something totally random. it just feels so disrespectful to the viewer. like, your obviously just dangling a carrot in front of my nose to keep me watching through another episode, because you know your story isn't good enough otherwise. i'm surprised that the industry hasn't figured out that stories about what happens DURING a relationship are at least if not more interesting than the story leading up to the first kiss/confession

3. this kinda goes hand-in-hand with the first two, but indecisive characters. i want to hear stories about characters who actually know what they want and go for it. whether it be the character who can't work up the courage to confess or the wimpy character who is nervous or afraid of the role or fate in front of them. these sorts of things aren't always bad, but it just feels like i have seen them way too often now. characters who have goals and actively strive to meet them please.


in the end, i guess i just want less mellow-drama, more ACTUAL drama.
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Kikusui10 wrote:Well right now most of the huge ideas are used up under the fantasy genre. We have everything from vampires to magic, so if someone creates a new monster or power it's most likely gonna end up being a bit of a copy. Lately the only anime under the genre fantasy that managed to create something unique was attack on titan. Maybe that's why it was such a huge success.


I look at Titans and see a smooth blend of Evangellion and zombie apocalypse, with a little bit of the classic changeling stories and an aesthetic out of old giant myths. Like I said, everything 'new' is a blend of the real and the old, preferably with some nice twists to distinguish itself. As such depending on how you look at it, there are either no new ideas whatsoever or an infinite supply of them just waiting to be blended or warped.

Just look at Magi; there's nothing new there, it's all taken from old stories of the Thousand and One Arabian Nights and the legends around King Solomon, but that doesn't stop them from making the stories their own and doing cool new things with them. The Fate/ series takes a couple dozen old public domain legends and common character archetypes, puts their own creative spin on each, then tosses them in a standard issue death game for a wish-granting macguffin, and manages to be entirely unique in what they do. I could name the official tvTropes page for each and every feature of Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, but it's still one of my favorite recent animes because it uses them all well.

The mark of a great story is not to fumble about until you hit something that can't be traced back to anything else. It's to do what everybody else is trying to do, but better than any of them.
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I hate when they throw in the whole star-crossed lover thing for no reason, and give the characters an unnecessary connection in the past.
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generic crappy shoujo anime!
the reverse harem that keeps coming out lately.
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Flawless arrogant protagonists are my number one trope to avoid, and I think the only one capable of turning me off of an otherwise good series. There's no point in watching if the protagonist is never really challenged, and I've seen enough of these types of shows to know that most protags like this are already considered 'fully developed', and their nasty personalities rarely actually see any real change: rather, they'll be nice-ish (maybe) to their love interest or student and continue to condescend to everyone else.

To a lesser extent, I'm also starting to get annoyed at the overly wimpy/indecisive types. Done at a reasonable level, this sort of character can be interesting to watch, since there's a lot of room for growth. But the point of this character type is that there has to be growth, and while most shows get this more or less right, it seems like This Loser is You is starting to become more commonplace, and we're getting more and more pathetic MCs with less and less growth.

I assert that unless the protagonist is involved in almost every event of the plot, and has interesting development over the entire course of the piece, the ensemble cast treatment will work better, if only because the writers aren't as tempted to make a badass that we can live vicariously through or a wimp that they think we can relate to. A character should be a character, not a viewer stand-in, and I'm sick of protagonists getting less development than everyone else on the main cast.
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Unlucky Childhood Friend. Childhood friends don't win. Ever.


And she is almost always wearing a headband, in case the viewer needs to know which one she is.
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Kikusui10 wrote:Well right now most of the huge ideas are used up under the fantasy genre. We have everything from vampires to magic, so if someone creates a new monster or power it's most likely gonna end up being a bit of a copy. Lately the only anime under the genre fantasy that managed to create something unique was attack on titan. Maybe that's why it was such a huge success.


I look at Titans and see a smooth blend of Evangellion and zombie apocalypse, with a little bit of the classic changeling stories and an aesthetic out of old giant myths. Like I said, everything 'new' is a blend of the real and the old, preferably with some nice twists to distinguish itself. As such depending on how you look at it, there are either no new ideas whatsoever or an infinite supply of them just waiting to be blended or warped.

Just look at Magi; there's nothing new there, it's all taken from old stories of the Thousand and One Arabian Nights and the legends around King Solomon, but that doesn't stop them from making the stories their own and doing cool new things with them. The Fate/ series takes a couple dozen old public domain legends and common character archetypes, puts their own creative spin on each, then tosses them in a standard issue death game for a wish-granting macguffin, and manages to be entirely unique in what they do. I could name the official tvTropes page for each and every feature of Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet, but it's still one of my favorite recent animes because it uses them all well.

The mark of a great story is not to fumble about until you hit something that can't be traced back to anything else. It's to do what everybody else is trying to do, but better than any of them.


Yea i definitely agree with most of what you said. Creating the same as others, but better, makes it stand out. While it's true attack on titan might have had some ideas taken from here and there, i feel that overall they managed to make something relatively new. Not just the idea of titans eating humans, but everything from the 3d maneuver gear to the animation style. They changed the original ideas enough to let it be considered "new".
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I hate it when characters explain their attacks to other characters before attacking them.


This would be mine as well!

Sure go ahead and tell your opponent the name and characteristics of your attacks. baka.

Some might say this is a way to explain it to the readers.

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Cliches will ALWAYS be more popular than anything with originality. We need a legit borderline between both. Makes me wonder if Japan is just as fed up with these cliches as we are. Or the Japanese actually don't mind it and we are the only ones complaining. Who getting cater to the most and why? I still hate tragic villains but that doesn't just happen in anime it happens in every form of fiction.

Just my curiosity again.
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