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Post Reply Usopp.... You bastard.
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Posted 3/26/14
During Fishman Island I had hope for Usopp because he seemed to get pretty strong and he worked hard to become so. He showed that strength in Fishman Island. Right now in the manga though he is absolutely disgusting.
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Posted 3/27/14
He forgot about Robin; everyone did. For Ussop at that time, there was no Nakama there; just the Dwarves. He redeemed himself well in my eyes by coming back and making his announcement. Ussop makes great Hero speeches.
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Posted 3/27/14
Never liked him, why can't they just kill him?
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Posted 3/27/14 , edited 3/27/14
His lie was originally to get the dwarves to trust him, and to stop them from keeping him captive. Had Usopp not done this, they would still have gone through with the plan, and probably all died anyway (I'm not saying that Usopp realised this, just that his lie probably saved lives rather than caused deaths). Usopp actually stayed with them until their enemies showed how powerful they were, and only ran away when he was the only one fighting (since he forgot that Robin existed), and realised that the enemies were impossible for him to beat. What brought him back afterwards wasn't guilt, but the fact that he didn't want to betray his friends' expectations.
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Posted 3/27/14
ya i know he forgot robin but the way he acted makes me think he wouldn't care if he remembered her either way. its just a shame him and the other mugiwara pirates worked so hard for 2 years and usopp is the only one not able to do the right thing without being guilted into it. i am pretty sure it was guilt. his friends expectations were clear from the very beginning. if he was afraid of betraying them he wouldn't have ran away at all. i know chopper wouldn't even go down like that. if sanji ever found out he left robin whether he forgot or not he would send him to hell.
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Posted 3/28/14
Usopp was kinda disappointing in the fact that he left everyone behind... However, he DID come back, so that at least says something. Well, he made up for it with that EPIC face at the end of the last chapter.... <.<
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gabriel027 wrote:i am pretty sure it was guilt. his friends expectations were clear from the very beginning. if he was afraid of betraying them he wouldn't have ran away at all.


Considering how the dwarves believe literally everything that is said to them, no matter how ridiculous, it seems like they're just mindlessly following him, rather than expecting him to be a great person. When they refuse to believe that he isn't a hero - the first time ever that they don't instantly accept something for truth - Usopp realises just how much they believe in him. When he comes back, he yells at them to stop expecting so much of him, since he can't live up to their expectations. He never apologises for deserting them (which he would have done if he was driven by guilt) but he thanks them instead for trusting him.
Posted 3/28/14
Guys i think that Usopp isn't being cowardly on purpose. robin was turned to a toy right? That means everyone forgot about her.
Usopp's character development skyrocketed during the water seven arc. During that time, he stood up to Franky, to Lucci, and to Luffy.
With robin out of his memory, the majority of his memories of and experiences of being extremely brave are pretty much gone.
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Posted 3/28/14 , edited 3/28/14
your right. usopp didn't feel guilty at all.... i can't think of any reason he had to feel guilty now that you mention it. what was i thinking. his lack of an apology is the perfect reason for my suspicion of him feeling guilty to go away. thanks for enlightening me with flawless logic.... how could someone feel guilty for taking advantage of an entire village's hopes and dreams to glorify himself only to send them all to hell when his own mortality is questioned... (end sarcasm) i'll agree to disagree then, if this is a situation where you really don't see someone having a reason to feel guilty of something then your sense of right and wrong is even more twisted than mine and i don't really have a sense of right an wrong. the thing that bothers me the most about usopp is that he is in the mugiwara crew. a crew filled with the idea to protect everyone they meet from anything and he is only concerned for himself. to me usopp is just a shoe that doesn't fit anymore.

wisdom we already know he forgot about robin and robin doesn't hold all of usopp's brave memories. usopp's transition began long before that with jango and even into arlong park, and even though he still can remember that he acts like a coward to the extreme.
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Posted 3/28/14
Ussop has bothered me since the time skip began. When the crew came back together I was expecting big changes from all of them. With Usopp I was expecting him to become brave, not that he had to stop being a liar, but for him to become brave So after a couple of arcs of him still being a coward I was kind of let down, but I didn't think much of it. But at this point I was completely let down and felt that Usopp had no character growth. He is still the same coward he always was, and this time he put other lives in danger. Sure he came back, but it was only because he heard them dying and calling his name. If he was there suffering with them it would be another thing because he felt the consequences of his lies. But he didn't he ran away. It was even hammered home how much of the Straw Hats hopes were resting on the him, but he failed to live up to them. I read on Shonen Jumps schedule so I don't know what happens, so I can't say but still He delivered but only at the very last moment, so yeah I was really dissapointed.
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Posted 3/28/14
The straw hat tradition isn't to protect everybody they meet... Luffy literally does whatever he wants. In turn, his crew does whatever they want. Their ideology is that a pirate is free. That being said, Usopp is probably the most human character in all of One Piece. You hating his actions is you hating how most people would react in the same situation. Usopp knew he couldn't win. He was dragged into a coup d'etat by the tontatta, people he barely knew. He knew that if he fought, it wouldn't really make a difference. However he still returned, regardless of it was guilt or conviction. Besides, you're acting as if no other straw hat suffers pathetic moments. If I recall, Nami did NOTHING in the fight against Arlong pirates, besides stab herself in the arm. The same fight where Usopp took out a fish man using wits.

Usopp doesn't exist to be the shonen male character that you want, nor does he possess overwhelming power. I can see where you're coming from, and the fact that you want his character to progress instead of regress, but the chances are, that if you didn't like Usopp's character pre-time skip, then you most likely won't like him post-time skip. If you expected Usopp to react in the same way luffy would react, you're expecting the wrong things from his character

The tontatta were planning to wage war on Doflamingo that day, Usoland or not.

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Posted 3/29/14
I love Usopp. He gets himself into endless shit almost all the time but you have to admit, when he shows courage it is so much more exciting to watch than when other characters do.
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Posted 3/29/14
I never said he didn't feel guilty, just that it didn't seem to be the main reason for his return.

As reinarobles said, Usopp's character is meant to be more like a normal human among the monsters that the other crewmembers are.

Also remember the reason why the Strawhats became pirates: Luffy to become completely free, Zoro to become the greatest swordsman, Nami to map the entire grand line, Sanji to find the All Blue & Usopp to become a brave warrior. If the time skip made him as brave as the rest of the crew, it would pretty much be the end of his story. At least he acknowledges that cowardice is his biggest weakness, and is trying to change that.
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Posted 3/29/14
i never said the strawhat tradition was to protect whoever they meet. you are one of those people who makes up arbitrary arguments of things that no one said so you can look like you are right about something. if your that desperate to win an internet argument go to some aol chat rooms. i'm not going to argue with an idiot. if you can't understand the things i said for what they meant then don't talk to me. its that simple. if its an opinion then you cant make me wrong so go back to 2nd grade english class if you cant differentiate facts and opinion. i was curious how others felt, not whether i'm "right" or "wrong" because opinions cannot be right or wrong so stop wasting my time.
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Posted 3/29/14
I never really liked Usopp after his intro story.
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