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Posted 3/31/14


I'm probably waaaaaay late to the party on this, but I don't remember it being discussed at the time...

While recently looking for UK anime podcasts on Google, I stumbled across one from December 2013 which was produced by the British Board of Film Classification (non-UK: read -- British equivalent of the MPAA ratings board).

Firstly, I was surprised that the BBFC even have a podcast series, but that they should decide to 'dedicate' an episode to anime (even if only for ten minutes) seemed like a novel but paradoxically obvious idea.

Basically, the two hosts ('examiners' on the board) drop into a discussion about what anime is for the 'lay person' ('Japanese cartoons that are a bit weird!') and why it can be 'difficult' to approve some of it for viewing ('sex, violence and clashing cultural values!').

While I know that notes on the decisions the BBFC make can be accessed publicly, I thought it was interesting that the censors themselves should get into an open, if somewhat simplistic, 'roundtable style' discussion about a topic which often riles anime fans. I thought I'd flag it here if, like me, you had no idea that this was put out around Christmas time.

Even if you don't live in the UK, you may still be interested in what they have to say. It's worth a listen. You may not agree with everything they say, but it is understandable why they feel some cuts should be made -- even if the examples are limited. I'd have liked some more detailed analysis of specific decisions.

https://soundcloud.com/bbfc/bbfc-podcast-episode-17#t=17:39

If the timestamped URL fails to load, the discussion starts at 17:39. It may take a while to buffer.

Funnily enough, the page advises that the content of the discussion means that it probably isn't a suitable listen for anyone under the age of 15.
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censorship is stupid. also... "clashing cultural values"? what the fuck?
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I don't understand why they even bring up hentai at all.

No one discusses porn when talking about live action movies: "Yeah, live action movies are a huge genre. They range from kiddie friendly stuff all the way to explicitly sexual stuff. Pornography is the term used for it."

Your bias is showing already, approximately 40 seconds in.

And, of course, they cite what is essentially a hentai. How do people get their hands on all this crap? Like why aren't these guys watching NGE or Cowboy Bebop or something else?
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Oh wow, that girl is so stupid. Who the heck starts watching something and suddenly find out that they're actually watching hentai?! I'm guessing she has done that
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Posted 3/31/14
The BBFC should just get lost. I haven't listened to the podcast and I probably won't but judging by the reaction from some people, it seems that the BBFC are still stuck in the 90s.
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Des85 wrote:

Oh wow, that girl is so stupid. Who the heck starts watching something and suddenly find out that they're actually watching hentai?! I'm guessing she has done that :P


maybe she was one of those newbies who fell for the "you should watch Boku no Piko" trolls.

seriously kids, don't watch Boku no Piko.
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They do have some logical points, but they clearly mixed up hentai and anime a bit too much. I searched up the title with the name "La blue girl" and its a pure hentai. Kinda funny that they used it as a object to discuss anime. People who lack knowledge about anime usually end up with that conclusion. With the genre "ecchi" it has created a much smaller line between hentai and anime, compared to porn and live action movies, so i guess thats the reason.

Still i enjoyed listening to it, mostly because of the british accent.
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Kikusui10 wrote:

They do have some logical points, but they clearly mixed up hentai and anime a bit too much. I searched up the title with the name "La blue girl" and its a pure hentai. Kinda funny that they used it as a object to discuss anime. People who lack knowledge about anime usually end up with that conclusion. With the genre "ecchi" it has created a much smaller line between hentai and anime, compared to porn and live action movies, so i guess thats the reason.

Still i enjoyed listening to it, mostly because of the british accent.


So, let me ask you this.

If an anime shows "tentacle rape," HOWEVER, there is no depiction of any genitalia, is it a hentai?
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Posted 3/31/14

AnimeKami wrote:


Kikusui10 wrote:

They do have some logical points, but they clearly mixed up hentai and anime a bit too much. I searched up the title with the name "La blue girl" and its a pure hentai. Kinda funny that they used it as a object to discuss anime. People who lack knowledge about anime usually end up with that conclusion. With the genre "ecchi" it has created a much smaller line between hentai and anime, compared to porn and live action movies, so i guess thats the reason.

Still i enjoyed listening to it, mostly because of the british accent.


So, let me ask you this.

If an anime shows "tentacle rape," HOWEVER, there is no depiction of any genitalia, is it a hentai?


Good question. I thought a little about it and concluded that it depends on what happens before and after, and additionally if it's really hidden or just pixelated.
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Posted 3/31/14

Kikusui10 wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:


Kikusui10 wrote:

They do have some logical points, but they clearly mixed up hentai and anime a bit too much. I searched up the title with the name "La blue girl" and its a pure hentai. Kinda funny that they used it as a object to discuss anime. People who lack knowledge about anime usually end up with that conclusion. With the genre "ecchi" it has created a much smaller line between hentai and anime, compared to porn and live action movies, so i guess thats the reason.

Still i enjoyed listening to it, mostly because of the british accent.


So, let me ask you this.

If an anime shows "tentacle rape," HOWEVER, there is no depiction of any genitalia, is it a hentai?


Good question. I thought a little about it and concluded that it depends on what happens before and after, and additionally if it's really hidden or just pixelated.


It is hidden, not pixelated censored.

I am not sure what you mean by what happens before and after. In the pretense of said scenario, the girl refuses in the beginning, but is left satisfied at the end. If this helps...
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it's borderline, or more specifically, softcore. since nothing is shown, it's not really hentai. in the case of a live-action movie, it's something that if present, would most likely garner the movie an R rating, but nothing more.
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Posted 3/31/14 , edited 10/6/15
To sum up the BBFCs position:

The Japanese are pervs, but it's not their fault because the US nuked them and ever since then the poor buggers don't realize that cartoons are for kids. Thank god and the queen we are all on islands and can keep the poor bastards out.
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Posted 3/31/14

Well_Spoken_Man wrote:

To sum up the BBFCs position:

The Japanese are pervs, but it's not their fault because the US nuked them and ever since then the poor buggers don't realize that cartoons are for kids. Thank god and the queen we are all on islands and can keep the poor bastards out.


I got a laugh out of that.

Was that your intention?
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Posted 3/31/14

AnimeKami wrote:


Well_Spoken_Man wrote:

To sum up the BBFCs position:

The Japanese are pervs, but it's not their fault because the US nuked them and ever since then the poor buggers don't realize that cartoons are for kids. Thank god and the queen we are all on islands and can keep the poor bastards out.


I got a laugh out of that.

Was that your intention?




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To be honest, the BBFC just sit there with a checklist. Thanks to a lot of discs being individually certified, it's possible to work out why each disc got the rating it did, leading to some truly head scratching moments.

Murder starts as a 12. Murder can obviously get more mature rating, but it's dependent on the amount of gore and violence shown. The first seven (of nine volumes) of Death Note anime all received 12's, as did Persona 4. Meaning that Light could kill a nun and it would only be a 12.

Blood gets a 15. Normal swordfight will get a 12. Draw blood and it's instantly a 15.

Sex gets an 18. Or most importantly anything that even looks like penetration. Panty & Stocking got an 18 purely for a small shot of a finger being inserted into a nostril (it was shot from inside the nostril). Granted, . But a five year old would probably have thought it was just an earthworm.



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