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It goes back to the 'location location locaiton' thing.

At the time it came out it was like nothing we'd really seen in the US, and it was just when anime fandom was really getting on it's feet.

Beyond that, it was an early proponent of the 'bouncy bouncy' sex appeal, which also gives it a certain amount of brainspace 'specially if you saw it as a teen.


Thanks yeah. As I said myself a product of a place and time.

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Wherever i go on the forums, or anywhere at all, i see the name Neon Genesis Evangelion all over the place. The majority of people seems to make fun of it, while other says it's a masterpiece. It seems like to me that you either hate it or love it, so what am i missing out on?

I really despise mecha, so i'l probably never watch it, but what's so damn special about it? o.O


Yeah if you don't like mecha you probably won't like it, I'm like almost 100% sure of that
People like to hate on really popular things (anime, TV, Video games) plain and simple
Neon Genesis is amazing definitely in my top 5 and I'm not going go into a big in depth explanation like others do because I ain't got time for that crap.


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My project lately between simulcasts is to watch hyped anime that I previously was never interested in seeing, starting with Evangelion.

I haven't been so disappointed with an anime since Kare Kano. Ironically, that's due to the fact that it's the same studio, and the same issues (they don't know how to manage their financials and thus create something that's pretty good with a spectacularly bad ending because they can't afford to animate any more). It wasn't thought provoking for me, I tuned out too much to care about what was "really" going on, but I understood enough to be pretty bored.

Admittedly it was a pretty fun ride for about 15 episodes, but then it spirals down into complete bullshit. 4/10 I was expecting WAY better since people are always gushing about it and saying that it's better than Gurren Lagann (my favorite mecha).

My next/current project has been to watch the Monogatari series. I'm having a much better time with that.


Who the hell compared Gurren Lagann to Evangelion? That is a really weird comparison to make. Yes they are both Mecha anime, but that is like comparing Cardcaptors to Madoka. Both great shows, both magical girl anime, but they have completely different themes and tones.

Gurren Lagann is "Do the impossible! The human spirit can surpass anything! POWER!!! MORE POWER!!! I WILL DEFEAT THE ENTIRE UNVERSE!!! (LITERALLY)" while Evangelion is a look into the human psyche, specifically that of teenagers; the trials of growing up and facing the darkness of the world, how we overcome our own feelings of inadequacy, when do we finally grow up, how we overcome death, can we move on from the past. The tones are really happy vs complete insanity of the human mind and darkness.
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Evangelion, for me, is special and in my top 5 anime of all time for 3 main reasons:

1. It delves into the human psyche in a way that few shows have been able to do (Serial Experiments Lain and Madoka Magica being a couple examples). It's themes are dark, but are the basis of humanity; our fear of death, the will of humanity to survive, feelings of inadequacy, awkward feelings of sexuality, the pains and trials of growing up (especially with the fate of the world on your shoulders). For me almost no other anime have been able to showcase those things nearly as well as Evangelion and have been able to make me simply lay in bed and think about my own life and humanity in general.

2. There are hidden meanings everywhere in the show. There are entire forums and sites dedicated to seeing how things connect and the stuff that fans have come up, backed by proof and the staff of NGE's comments on the show, are mindblowing to me. It's so much fun trying to come up with theories for different things like what people think about the relationship between Asuka and Shinji, the connection between Rei and the moon, what were Gendo's silent words in the End of Eva, the hidden sexual tension between Misato and Shinji, the symbolism and meaning of the constant appearance of trains in the real world and the character's minds, the psychology of the Angel's. It is damn fascinating.

3. I really like the dark, terrifying, and mindfuck imagery. I am a morbid bastard.

I understand why people hate Evangelion, but I am a diehard Eva fanboy and I will defend it to my grave.
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Props to the Evangelion lovers, i respect that. Out of all the series that have a strong divide in fans vs. haters (SAO, Madoka Magica, Fairy Tail), it's actually pretty good and understandable for me to see why it's loved.
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I like this topic. So many possible people to quote or argue with, from any and either side. Thats a part of what makes NGE so great, to this VERY DAY people argue about the meaning of the Ending Movie. A lot of it was bull shit, some of it was not. Regardless, it's not perfectly clear what even happens.
Shit happens, it's pretty cool, and the show itself does some good things.

Special mention goes to the character-episodes. NGE does them to perfection, and I can not stress how amazing they are. Each episode features a different Angel attacking our heroes, and the focus shifts to a different person each time(outside of the repeating protagonists, they ARE the protagonists afterall) From the Blond Scientist to the troubled 14 year old. Even the author-fill-in character. The characters go deep, even if the psychology doesn't.

It essentially personifies a lot of what anime has become. If you want a feel of anime from before NGE, you should watch the other Mecha's of the time. Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam is stanch in it's 80's way. Complete with awkward romances and darker endings. While Martain Successor Nadesico pokes fun at the Mecha's of the 80's, coming out shortly before NGE. A lot of what NGE does, had not been done before, and that is quite a thing to be excited about.


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Who the hell compared Gurren Lagann to Evangelion? That is a really weird comparison to make. Yes they are both Mecha anime, but that is like comparing Cardcaptors to Madoka. Both great shows, both magical girl anime, but they have completely different themes and tones.

Gurren Lagann is "Do the impossible! The human spirit can surpass anything! POWER!!! MORE POWER!!! I WILL DEFEAT THE ENTIRE UNVERSE!!! (LITERALLY)" while Evangelion is a look into the human psyche, specifically that of teenagers; the trials of growing up and facing the darkness of the world, how we overcome our own feelings of inadequacy, when do we finally grow up, how we overcome death, can we move on from the past. The tones are really happy vs complete insanity of the human mind and darkness.


Both are from Studio Gainax, and are....far far more similar than you've let on. NGE deconstructed the Real Robot Genre established by Mobile Suit Gundam, which itself deconstructed the Super Robot Genre before it. Gurren Lagann re-constructed the Genre, going backwards in a way. Starting off in a rather Super Robot style, and quickly progressing through time to face enemies reminiscent of each era.
Lordgenome? Seriously? Mazinger Z of the 70's featured Dr. Hell, while Getter Robo had that Dinosaur Empire. Beastmen and Lordgenome are VERY Super-Robot esq.
The following Arc featured political factions fighting, with the split between Rossiu and Simon and all that Jazz, something Mobile Suit Gundam practically introduced.
Then you have the NGE style Anti-Spirals making up the last half, instilling the psychology lessons and negativity, only for our heroes to shout HEY THIS STARTED AS A SUPER ROBOT ANIME...LETS KEEP DOING THAT! ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH!

That was a tangent.... but Simon's character is highly reflective of Shinji. The primary difference being the auxiliary characters. The overarching theme being opposites. Evangelion insults humans while Gurren praises them. Evangelion tells us humans tend to hurt one another, and are just inherently selfish. Gurren shouts Randy Savage quotes while delivering quirky speeches that instill overwhelming positive in the heroes and viewers. Opposites...and that's the point.

The shows themselves certainly feel far different, not so much themes as the very style of the shows. NGE was a character driven show while Gurren Lagann a plot driven one. They have a lot of differences, but Gurren Lagann is only possible because of NGE, and was even made BECAUSE of NGE. Comparisons should be made, but they're not the same thing.
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Interesting point how Simon is similar to Shinji and he is, now that I think about it, except I will argue that he grows more confident and becomes a leader more than Shinji ever did, but that's besides the point. I wonder why Shinji gets so much hate when we have clear proof of another character being the exact same way.
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Interesting point how Simon is similar to Shinji and he is, now that I think about it, except I will argue that he grows more confident and becomes a leader more than Shinji ever did, but that's besides the point. I wonder why Shinji gets so much hate when we have clear proof of another character being the exact same way.


I love arguing how if Shinji was a girl, the legions of haters would be legions of waifu defenders.

For you see, Men exist for two reasons, sex and sacrifice.

Step one, have child
Step two, go die(in a war).

Shinji and Asuka flip standard gender roles, and are treated...like their actual genders. Shinji is encouraged to act like Asuka, and actually rewarded when he does.
While Asuka is always told to sit back and wait, with a horrific defeat upon doing exactly what they expect of Shinji.

The opening episode alone throws this one around. Shinji is told to pilot Eva 1, and when he refuses they simply show him an injured girl to guilt-trip him. If Rei was a guy and missing the entire lower half of his body, he's still be expected to go. That is what men are for. Don't have legs? We'll get someone to wheel-chair you over to the mecha. But YOUR A MAN, GO FUCKING ACT LIKE IT!

Gurren Lagann is more standard/classic... so it's not as fun analyzing and talking about it. No proper female pilots wasn't really a big deal, but that wasn't very progressive of them.

Kill la Kill sits in response to that, it's primary characters being strong female ones... strong and unique! You don't actually see characters like them anywhere. The closes to Kill la Kills gung-ho Females tends to be Asuka, the more famous of Tsundere's.
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I haven't seen NGE. But I will say I have friends who absolutely adore it, and respect it (since I know pretty much the entire plot in addition to the fact that the audience knows nothing after seeing it once).

I will call it probably the most influential show of all time, and I don't really care when people say it isn't good or give it bad scores. The franchise has made over 1.5 billion dollars since 2007. No matter how you feel about this show it is one of the largest impacting shows in history and probably the largest anime franchise other than Gundam.
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Just watch it
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Best advice ever. give it shot and see what you think. Just remember some of what is common or even stale nowadays was 'never seen before Evangelion.
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OtakuKoala wrote:

Interesting point how Simon is similar to Shinji and he is, now that I think about it, except I will argue that he grows more confident and becomes a leader more than Shinji ever did, but that's besides the point. I wonder why Shinji gets so much hate when we have clear proof of another character being the exact same way.


I love arguing how if Shinji was a girl, the legions of haters would be legions of waifu defenders.

For you see, Men exist for two reasons, sex and sacrifice.

Step one, have child
Step two, go die(in a war).

Shinji and Asuka flip standard gender roles, and are treated...like their actual genders. Shinji is encouraged to act like Asuka, and actually rewarded when he does.
While Asuka is always told to sit back and wait, with a horrific defeat upon doing exactly what they expect of Shinji.

The opening episode alone throws this one around. Shinji is told to pilot Eva 1, and when he refuses they simply show him an injured girl to guilt-trip him. If Rei was a guy and missing the entire lower half of his body, he's still be expected to go. That is what men are for. Don't have legs? We'll get someone to wheel-chair you over to the mecha. But YOUR A MAN, GO FUCKING ACT LIKE IT!

Gurren Lagann is more standard/classic... so it's not as fun analyzing and talking about it. No proper female pilots wasn't really a big deal, but that wasn't very progressive of them.

Kill la Kill sits in response to that, it's primary characters being strong female ones... strong and unique! You don't actually see characters like them anywhere. The closes to Kill la Kills gung-ho Females tends to be Asuka, the more famous of Tsundere's.


"Get in the fucking robot, Shinji"
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Props to the Evangelion lovers, i respect that. Out of all the series that have a strong divide in fans vs. haters (SAO, Madoka Magica, Fairy Tail), it's actually pretty good and understandable for me to see why it's loved.


I'd speculate that Madoka and Evangelion hate is kind of similar for many people (certainly for me).

There are 2 obvious ways to look at both shows; 'deep twist on genre' or 'cheap shock-gimmick'. I'm guessing the love v. hate is based on which side you take on that.

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And again, when you watch it. Eva in 1996 (or whenever too lazy to check the year) is a totally different experience than in 2014.
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GoldTStar wrote:

Props to the Evangelion lovers, i respect that. Out of all the series that have a strong divide in fans vs. haters (SAO, Madoka Magica, Fairy Tail), it's actually pretty good and understandable for me to see why it's loved.


I'd speculate that Madoka and Evangelion hate is kind of similar for many people (certainly for me).

There are 2 obvious ways to look at both shows; 'deep twist on genre' or 'cheap shock-gimmick'. I'm guessing the love v. hate is based on which side you take on that.

~~~

And again, when you watch it. Eva in 1996 (or whenever too lazy to check the year) is a totally different experience than in 2014.


Myself I'm inclined to see Both Madoka and Evangelion in the same deep twist light.

at least until around episode three of madoka, I thought I was watching a ripoff of Nanoha. there was the cute fuzzy pet/ally in trouble. the trusty high school friends the sempai who would somehow get out of the way to allow the MC to shine. and the cold mysterious girl who was probably the antagonist who would be next season's best friend.

BOY was I Surprised...

Oh well Mami DID 'get out of the way'
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i watched first 3 episodes and found it so boring so i gave up for about 2 weeks then decided to watch it again AND IM SO GLAD I DID because i ended up thinking it was a really awesome anime and i watched the 3 movies after swell SO GOOD
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