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Evangelion Rocks! Saw back in high school and totally got me out of the funk I was in. It's a great show that can change you're mindset. Pretty much people hate it because it gets in their faces about things they probably have in common with the characters, fuck the haters...
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That's true, but i feel that is sort of a "basic" way to hate those two series.
Madoka THRIVED off of that shock and twist without delving too much into the characters (except Homura) for me and the whole thing came off forced. Still a good series imo, but just because it's different doesn't make it amazing.

Evangelion built up it's characters and only until the end did they decide to have those shock and twist moments. I feel the series didn't live off just that and had a more psychological look to the characters, not saying Madoka doesn't either.

Hey, at least Madoka had a choice lol
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windsagio wrote:


That's true, but i feel that is sort of a "basic" way to hate those two series.
Madoka THRIVED off of that shock and twist without delving too much into the characters (except Homura) for me and the whole thing came off forced. Still a good series imo, but just because it's different doesn't make it amazing.

Evangelion built up it's characters and only until the end did they decide to have those shock and twist moments. I feel the series didn't live off just that and had a more psychological look to the characters, not saying Madoka doesn't either.

Hey, at least Madoka had a choice lol


Yeah, I'm definitely saying you don't need to feel the same way about both... and I think you totally hit it on the head.

Some people find both "Forced". If you find Evangelion forced (and thus phony) you're gonna hate it.
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windsagio wrote:


GoldTStar wrote:


That's true, but i feel that is sort of a "basic" way to hate those two series.
Madoka THRIVED off of that shock and twist without delving too much into the characters (except Homura) for me and the whole thing came off forced. Still a good series imo, but just because it's different doesn't make it amazing.

Evangelion built up it's characters and only until the end did they decide to have those shock and twist moments. I feel the series didn't live off just that and had a more psychological look to the characters, not saying Madoka doesn't either.

Hey, at least Madoka had a choice lol


Yeah, I'm definitely saying you don't need to feel the same way about both... and I think you totally hit it on the head.

Some people find both "Forced". If you find Evangelion forced (and thus phony) you're gonna hate it.


Exactly, pretty much so. It all comes down to your interpretations and interests.
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My project lately between simulcasts is to watch hyped anime that I previously was never interested in seeing, starting with Evangelion.

I haven't been so disappointed with an anime since Kare Kano. Ironically, that's due to the fact that it's the same studio, and the same issues (they don't know how to manage their financials and thus create something that's pretty good with a spectacularly bad ending because they can't afford to animate any more). It wasn't thought provoking for me, I tuned out too much to care about what was "really" going on, but I understood enough to be pretty bored.

Admittedly it was a pretty fun ride for about 15 episodes, but then it spirals down into complete bullshit. 4/10 I was expecting WAY better since people are always gushing about it and saying that it's better than Gurren Lagann (my favorite mecha).

My next/current project has been to watch the Monogatari series. I'm having a much better time with that.


Watch End of Evangelion, its the ending. I can't explain it without spoilers but it makes sense when you watch it.
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Watch End of Evangelion, its the ending. I can't explain it without spoilers but it makes sense when you watch it.


I dropped the movie halfway through because I couldn't stomach watching a second more of the franchise. Maybe if I had skipped the last two episodes and just gone straight to the movie it would have been a different story. But that left too bad of a taste in my mouth.
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I don't know. I never really paid attention to it when it was on most of the time.
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Keep it spoiler free please. (Haven't watched it)

Wherever i go on the forums, or anywhere at all, i see the name Neon Genesis Evangelion all over the place. The majority of people seems to make fun of it, while other says it's a masterpiece. It seems like to me that you either hate it or love it, so what am i missing out on?

I really despise meccha, so i'l probably never watch it, but what's so damn special about it? o.O

My response would've fit in better on page 1-2, but NGE one of the most emotional and human stories I've experienced. And what's fascinating is that it grows with you. I don't care as much about Shinji as I used to, in many ways he's a surface character of the series. Now I'm more interested in his parents, Yui and Gendo, followed by Fuyutsuki (I still remember being struck by the scene where he's playing shogi with Shinji), and Toji's stuck with me as well.

I also see more in Rei than I did at first. She has a lot more agency than people give her credit for, and when she exercises it she changes the course of history as far as NGE is concerned. Which is also a penultimate event for Gendo. I also recently read a fan conspiracy theory about Shinji and Asuka which is probably untrue, but if true adds a powerful layer to their relationship in End of Evangelion and better explains a scene that seemed strange to me before.

I don't know if there's any "deep" meaning to NGE, but it facilitates audience agency in an amazing way and, as far as I'm concerned, is the best anime I'll ever see. But I also think Code Geass is the worst anime I'll ever see, so...

Perspective. It's a thing.

In any case, NGE is not "fun" which is why I think it gets most of the hate it does. And I think that's also why some people go "Omgosh the Rebuilds are so much better" because the Rebuilds are shounenized NGE. They're "fun".

This also makes them fundamentally different than the original NGE, though.
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windsagio wrote:

That's true, but i feel that is sort of a "basic" way to hate those two series.
Madoka THRIVED off of that shock and twist without delving too much into the characters (except Homura) for me and the whole thing came off forced. Still a good series imo, but just because it's different doesn't make it amazing.


Gotta chime in on this. You see pretty much all the characters change all through the series. Not just Homura, but ESPECIALLY Sayaka, who you see completely collapse into herself, Kyouko, who you see start to change just because of how much Sayaka reminds her of her past mistakes, and Madoka, who comes out of this as one of the most premiere heroines I have ever seen in anime. The only character that drew the short end of the stick is Mami, but from what I understand, the third movie does more with her. I will know more when I see the movie, however. The difference between Madoka and NGE is this... it is a lot easier to feel sympathetic for these characters and understand their plights than the Eva group. The emotions felt in Madoka are very genuine and the audience can resonate with them very well. THAT is really what makes the series so brilliant.


Evangelion built up it's characters and only until the end did they decide to have those shock and twist moments. I feel the series didn't live off just that and had a more psychological look to the characters, not saying Madoka doesn't either.


That is true, but the difference (at least to me) is that EVA tried WAYYYYY too hard, and most of the characters are either annoying, despicable, or just down right awful that it is hard for me to care. :/ When the only sympathy I have is for Pen-Pen (and Kaworu, maybe) that just means something is not meshing well. Shinji comes off the worst to me just because he is way too selfish for his own good (also, End of Eva.. that movie... just... no.) Now, the Rebuild movies have done a MUCH nicer job at showing the characters as not awful (Shinji still has a ways to go for me, though), and it has given me some hope that things can be good at the end, here. Looking forward to the final film. Expectations are high! XD



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Also, although I don't want to pursue it too much, the 'bounce' did a lot to f' up anime.
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When the only sympathy I have is for Pen-Pen (and Kaworu, maybe) that just means something is not meshing well.

Not even Toji and Hikari?

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Not even Toji and Hikari?



Okay, yeah, but I was talking more about the main cast that we see a bit more often. XD
Most of the non-NERV characters are fine. lol
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Orga777 wrote:

Okay, yeah, but I was talking more about the main cast that we see a bit more often. XD
Most of the non-NERV characters are fine. lol

Not even Yui and Fuyutsuki?

Edit: Woops, spoiling for spoilers.
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"What's so special about NGE?"


Nothing.

Some of the mecha were different than usual, though, so it might have some merit there.

What is remarkable, however, is how members of the studio that created NGE denounced the series by creating a series which had its entire premise being a rebuke to the themes, characters, and story of NGE.

And turned out to be a better story as well, a better anime.


But that is one of the few things anyone ever talks about when they talk about TTGL.

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Well this topic got popular..x)

It actually feels more appealing to watch now, after reading through those comments.
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