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Why So Much "Hatred" For Shinji Ikari?
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Posted 4/3/14 , edited 4/3/14

seanvox wrote:

There have been numerous postings in this thread that excellently answer the original question, yet I feel the need to rehash and paraphrase while adding a dash of original thought. The power of NGE compels me!

We must remember that animation is the most deliberate of artforms. The creators are given control over and burdened with every detail, most of which are taken for granted in live-action filmmaking. Trying to achieve something of merit in this medium forced GAINAX to employ cliche and heavy-handed design to create a coherent narrative long enough to slap you in the face with the content we are still chewing on almost 20 years later. All great films do! NGE was built on the skeleton of Gundam so viewers would recognize some familiar territory and feel at home. GAINAX used this and flipped over to reveal the ugly humanity hidden behind the herioc standards we normally consume. Instead of Goku redeeming his enemies or American Action Hero mustering up the strength at the last second to justifiably murder his antagonist, we are given a tormented version of ourselves that both serves the role of the empty heroic avatar (Keanu Reeves) and omnipotent protaganist only limited by the narrative (Jesus/Superman). NGE shows us how much it sucks to be both these extremes and most places in between, and the only people you'd want to be like are Kaji and Misato, who are old enough to have escaped the burden of the protagonist but not so old they become the bad guys.



With all due respect, no. NGE is the the highschool writing class attempt to do the above. It tries to humanize heroism by being melodramatic and 'real', and only succeeds in being tawdry.

There are things that do the vision you're talking about well, The Maxx for instance (at about the same time) looked at the hero and mixed it with a pretty traumatized world and a really unreliable narrator. That was a deconstruction of the classic superhero (and intentionally or not the '90s dark hero as well). NGE is more like the rest of Image. You present this 'dark' often tortured vision of the hero, throw in plenty of T&A, and season liberally with Soap Opera. Then sit back and watch (hopefully) the acclaim . It's the Savage Dragon of Anime.

(Sorry for going deep early/mid-90s comics but it's putting it in it's time, also my reference for looking at it. I deleted the paragraph about Skinny Puppy and NIN :D)


Edited caveat below

And that's the thing you have to grant NGE. For it's time it was unique and somewhat compelling. You'd never seen anything like that before, and there's some value for that.

Edit2: And then they went out of their way to kill goodwill further by selling naked Rei dolls for the next 20 years.
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The MAXX there's a show I haven't seen or heard in a long term.

Anime fans may brag about there 'great art' that western shows cannot touch but...

I heard someone did a fan sub with the actor for Mr. Gone doing Gendo... that would have been something to see.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

The MAXX there's a show I haven't seen or heard in a long term.

Anime fans may brag about there 'great art' that western shows cannot touch but...

I heard someone did a fan sub with the actor for Mr. Gone doing Gendo... that would have been something to see.


to my sadness never saw the show. The comic was genius tho'
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To hate him would be foolish, he is by far one of the best representations of an actual pubescent teenager-preteen, in that fucked up world and bubble he is in. Even towards the last two episode, the one quote that will always resonate with me is "I am fucked up".. after his well you know, in the hospital...It couldn't fit more perfectly with most of the people watching the anime, beacuse at that point they probably saw their inner selves...For him to not be that pathetic with the personality that would have been created giving his circumstances, would be beyond unrealistic ( in terms of characterization, not their world :P), and make it another cockfest, raw raw shounen.

Not not liking him, is without a doubt reasonable, no one wants to be that pathetic or watch a moron flail around for freaking 26 episodes none stop, but hating him is too much, as his character fits the anime PERFECTLY in everything it wanted to deliver. While am at it, the ending was perfect as well!, simply and utterly fucked up as it should be.


I think your description of Shinji's character hits the nail right on the head. That being said, I don't really care much for Shinji. Not because I hate his character or anything, I'm just not a big fan of NGE. I can see why people would love it though. I just don't share those same feelings.
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Who?
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did they try to make him cooler in the new movies?

ps. ive only seen the original series
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I don't hate Shinji Ikari.
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I think the problem with Shinji is that he never actually seriously tries to improve. He's like the little red caboose saying "I think I can, I think I can" but never actually moving along via his own motive power, and instead tries to get the passengers to get out and push. He's not that average either, he can apparently play his cello to a professional standard (the piece of music he plays is apparently well known for it's difficulty) and everything he does seems to be done with the intent of satisfying someone else. I don't know about you, but that isn't relate able to me in the slightest, and in fact, drives me up the wall in regards to his character.

This isn't to say that it isn't understandable to do somethings for the benefit of others, but Shinji lacks that in it's entirety for basically 95% of the series. Even Spike Spencer doesn't like Shinji!

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I do think he's a little irritating, but his reactions are so real, pertaining to a real pre-teen who is thrown into really bad situations like these.
cay032692, preaches everything valid about this.
That's why I can't hate him, but I can be a little annoyed with him. he will always be close to my heart, regardless.
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I don't know about realistic. more like something I hate in myself turned up to '11'

as a plot device I can respect that. and really can't relate to the visceral hate he generates in some people.
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Shrapnel893 wrote:


iblessall wrote:

Man, two NGE centered threads in less than an hour.

People like to talk about this show, it seems.


Well, I just want to get more clarification as to why people hate him... is all. Rather than, you know -- "He's a crybaby", "Useless bitch", "Whiny", etc.

But those are all good reasons....
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I'm on episode 4 so far and my thing is Shinji needs to be the guy who looks at it half-full. You in a badass robot and staying with a hot chick. Not so bad of a situation if you ask me.
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Normal Anime Criticism:





Evangelion Anime Criticism:



(For the sake of full disclosure, I'm totally in team blue.)

(But seriously, in a world where people give shows like Nagi no Asukara and Kill La Kill 9-10s, NGE isn't that bad.)
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The hate is pretty simple on both sides of the coin:

1. The people who see part of themselves in Shinji which makes them dislike the character.
2. The people who do not identify with Shinji so do not understand why he is a crybaby, which makes them dislike the character.

Those are going to be the majority of the haters, either you do not like the reflection or do not understand what doesn't apply to you.

For the record I disliked the character overall. I was never an angsty self absorbed teen so I could not identify with his motivations (or lack there of) and by the time I saw the anime I was old enough to understand not to bother with people of that type of toxicity (who would be in their 20s now).
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Shrapnel893 wrote:


CoffeeGodEddy wrote:


Shrapnel893 wrote:

I don't see any validation in it if you take in the full aspect of his character and all that. Thoughts?


You have seen NGE right? ._.


Of course I have. I've also seen Death & Rebirth, End of Evangelion, the Rebuild films, and read the manga. Your point?


If you've seen NGE, then you know Shinji needs to shut up and pilot the damn robot.

Enuf sed .___.
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