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Is Bullying Justifiable?
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It depends on how you look at it, and the variable situations. For example, my confrontation and intimidation of a few people who were harassing me is arguably an example of "bullying." In that sense, my "bullying" was in self-defense and therefore arguably justified. If, by chance, my actions aren't justifiable in any way, then even a stray cat's actions of arching its back and hissing to scare off threats is rendered as equally unjustifiable. As one may imagine, the anti-bullying stance can delve into the realm of the ridiculous when not handled properly.
Posted 4/4/14

Hachikobubble wrote:


Sychop wrote:


Hachikobubble wrote:

All though I do kind of agree with your opinion on the matter, I don't think comparing us to a third world country is fair. Considering some of us want to help, but we don't really have a means to unless we donate to a charity.And it is not really our fault for being born into a First World. I never take anything for granted, and I've been better about not complaining about little things that people may not have. For example, my friend's car's AC is broken, so when it's hot, she always complains about it. I look at it as "at least you have a car, and a way to get around. At least you're not dying." I do feel selfish indulging in all this technology and luxury, but that's our society. And I would be lying if I said I don't like it. But this is just my opinion. c:

I believe in general, no one should be bullied. No one should feel like complete shit about themselves, regardless of their back story. Just don't be an ass hole to anyone. Even if they are a bullies themselves. I mean, obviously perhaps they should have a little karma their way, but they shouldn't be treated like so. That might make their mindset about bullying worse. Whenever I feel emotionally threatened by someone, I always say "Namaste" in reply. "My soul respects your soul" or "I bow to yourself."


LOL, you're awesome at mocking things. I think you're mocking our posts


I'm not trying to. I only read the first post. I guess other people share the same opinion?


Oh that's unfortunate LOL.
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Posted 4/6/14
Unfortunate but yes it is necessary
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Posted 4/6/14
This is a bit iffy. People tend to think countering a bully with twice the force is bullying the bully. I say, too bad.
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Posted 4/6/14
Never!
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Posted 4/6/14

Genbu89 wrote:


CoffeeGodEddy wrote:
I see what you're saying and expected a response such as this. Yes, we ought to take care of little things but I think the average citizen doesn't know how much power her or she really has. Consumers definitely have a say in what large corporations do. They want people to buy their merchandise and use their services. We also are the ones responsible for voting in our politicians. I do honestly believe good can come from making educated voting decisions. It seems like now a days people only vote because their friends told them to or because of political party rather than what he or she stands for.


You're right to say the average person doesn't know how much power they have. The problem is that to use that power meaningfully in a democratic system you need people who agree with you, and as politics show, disagreements exist on every issue from immigration to health care. Most people are pretty apathetic towards politics these days because all they see on TV are talking heads blathering on about how X decision was awful. Then again it's difficult to say whether or not people were well-informed enough before TV (and especially the internet) to actually vote on what they want, so they just voted because it's what they were "supposed to" do, and not for any particular ideal.

Even assuming people were able to get together to enact meaningful change, as a group, it would be difficult to actually enforce changes in the US. Given corporations have the largest amount of money (and, in a capitalist system, money = power) they can do all kinds of things normal citizens wouldn't think of doing - such as bribery, abusing loopholes, etc. Even the fines for illegal practices are pretty much meh to bigger corporations, as paying the fine is cheaper than the legal course.

It's also true that by purchasing a corporation's products you are implicitly condoning their business practices... but some people may have no other choice. They might want to support more moral / beneficial companies, but lack the funds to do so (clean business practices are, generally, more expensive, which makes products from companies that practice them more expensive). So it's a no-win situation unless you're able to buy the moral company's products; even then, some people may willfully buy the less-clean company's products because they like having the cash to spare (for rainy days, or just because they're cheapskates).

... it's easy to acknowledge there's problems, but it's not so simple to solve them. Multi-faceted issues, son!


Don't ignore the fact that there's radio and newspapers. Yes, people can get together to enact meaningful change. That's how Women's Suffrage and the Civil Rights movements came about.
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Don't ignore the fact that there's radio and newspapers. Yes, people can get together to enact meaningful change. That's how Women's Suffrage and the Civil Rights movements came about.


Yes, there are radios and newspapers, but my point was that before digital communication debuted in roughly the early 1900s people didn't get information as fast, and thus were not as well-informed about issues beyond the local level.

The Women's Suffrage and Civil Rights movements were... well, not to say they weren't needed, but like everything involving human nature had a selfish motive at heart (equal treatment, while fair and deserved, was still sought for personal gain). The issue with shady corporations is twofold: one, they often hide their less savory practices from the public eye through various means, and two, deposing them as the "ruling body" so to speak would make the average citizen's life a lot harder and more expensive.

For instance, while most Americans may loathe and lament the fact that a massive number of the products they purchase come from, say, China instead of the US, due to labor laws and various other issues most US residents wouldn't (or couldn't) buy a number of American-produced products because they'd be too expensive. A Wal-Mart T-shirt, for example, would cost a lot more if it were produced in the US because there's a minimum wage, while Chinese workers can be paid pennies an hour to do the same work. As a result paying the Chinese to produce T-shirts is more profitable, and that's what a lot of corporations do because they exist solely to turn a profit for their shareholders. It's also one way Americans continue their lives of luxury (as a society), so cutting off Chinese imports will hurt Americans' pocketbooks. Then they'll be outraged and demand their Chinese imports back.

... again, it's one thing to recognize a problem exists. It's another to figure out how to change things (for the better). Just knowing change needs to happen is not enough.
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I was going to say that bullying is never justifiable, but when I thought about it again, I guess in some way countering a bully could also be determined as bullying. I don't know what to say in that case, then, since I believe that if you were the bullied, you have the right to counter. (That doesn't mean go and do something way worse than what they did.. :I)

In my personal experience, I was bullied sophomore year by this stupid kid and his group of friends everyday in a certain class and whenever he saw me in the hallway. I'm shy, though, so I just put up with it and wanted to cry almost everyday and hated the class. My "counter", so to speak, happened when he was trying to cheat off of me during the final test of the class (World History), which I happened to be really good at. As I thought the test was very easy, I completed the test completely wrong, and made no effort to hide my paper, and after he was basically done, I shoved my books in front of my final, and re-did it. Safe to say he didn't pass the class with flying colors.

Now that I look back on it, that was pretty mean, but I absolutely can't stand cheating like that, and truly hated the kid for making fun of me everyday. In that sense, I considered it justifiable, so in a sense, I feel like some bullying is justifiable. On that same subject, though, he had absolutely no reason to make fun of me, just because I was different or weird, so his actions or people with similar actions are not justified and can never be justified.
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Posted 4/7/14 , edited 4/7/14

CoffeeGodEddy wrote:

Do you think bullying can be justified? Are there situations where someone deserves to be bullied for reasons besides being a bully themself? Can bullying be applied to a more global scale? Explain.


EDIT: Also on Page 2

After reading a good amount of posts, I'm seeing very similar things so I'm going to insert my backwards, cynical opinion:



Thank you for reading. I look forward to feedback, whether it be positive, negative, or neutral.


Are you seriously comparing global, horrible problems like starvation, wars, diseases and such with bullying of an individual? Not sure if you're referring to "bullying" a country, too.

This has to be one the silliest posts on Batoto. I don't even..

OnT: No. Bullying is never justified.
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Bullying can lead to worse. I was bullied at the end of my school years... I hated it. People made me insecure and rumors spread too much. I think bullying is something that should be kept to a minimum if not zilch.
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Posted 4/7/14

Genbu89 wrote:


Kanade_Yagami wrote:

Don't ignore the fact that there's radio and newspapers. Yes, people can get together to enact meaningful change. That's how Women's Suffrage and the Civil Rights movements came about.


Yes, there are radios and newspapers, but my point was that before digital communication debuted in roughly the early 1900s people didn't get information as fast, and thus were not as well-informed about issues beyond the local level.

The Women's Suffrage and Civil Rights movements were... well, not to say they weren't needed, but like everything involving human nature had a selfish motive at heart (equal treatment, while fair and deserved, was still sought for personal gain). The issue with shady corporations is twofold: one, they often hide their less savory practices from the public eye through various means, and two, deposing them as the "ruling body" so to speak would make the average citizen's life a lot harder and more expensive.

For instance, while most Americans may loathe and lament the fact that a massive number of the products they purchase come from, say, China instead of the US, due to labor laws and various other issues most US residents wouldn't (or couldn't) buy a number of American-produced products because they'd be too expensive. A Wal-Mart T-shirt, for example, would cost a lot more if it were produced in the US because there's a minimum wage, while Chinese workers can be paid pennies an hour to do the same work. As a result paying the Chinese to produce T-shirts is more profitable, and that's what a lot of corporations do because they exist solely to turn a profit for their shareholders. It's also one way Americans continue their lives of luxury (as a society), so cutting off Chinese imports will hurt Americans' pocketbooks. Then they'll be outraged and demand their Chinese imports back.

... again, it's one thing to recognize a problem exists. It's another to figure out how to change things (for the better). Just knowing change needs to happen is not enough.


Thank you for clarifying that.
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Well, since I was such an annoying shithead to everybody when I was in middle school, I was bullied a bit. I deserved every second of it because I was such a terrible person.

I turned out better because of it, ironically it got rid of my victim complex.
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Well, in my opinion, if someone is bullying someone else, then they're being unfair towards the person they are bullying. If you think about this on a global scale, it becomes distorted because there is no frame of reference. Who gets to say what's "fair" and what isn't? The United Nations?

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If you are talking about school bullying then, yeah it's wrong. Kids may climb to the top of the food chain for various reasons, them bullying weaker children may help or hurt society theoretically, I don't know if anyone would do such objective studies on such an emotional matter.

I was actually bullied by my father and my cousin who was 5 years older than me when growing up. See it's hard for me to empathize with other children being bullied because, it actually gave me kind of tough skin. When I was 19 I was actually physically stronger than both my father and cousin, my cousin just kind of grew up, but I ended up beating the crap out of my dad when he tried to start something and I just didn't want to take it anymore. My mother was a really nice woman though so I turned into a somewhat balanced individual, I am harmless but I am very argumentative. I am also a bit of a masochist, I love it when people try to hurt me or insult me.

Other than that some girls called me fat when I was in middle school, honestly i was kind of expecting it from them so it really didn't come as a surprise. All this basically makes it difficult for me to actually look at a kid being bullied and go, poor kid. It makes me more want to go, man up. Because where most kids think "why are you bullying me?" I pretty much thought "I know why you are bullying me, and if you try this shit when I get stronger I will beat the crap out of you."
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Posted 4/8/14
bullying? personal, or national?
personal seems bad.
national seems good as long its for the right reasons.
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