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What is your opinion of "closet otakus"?
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Its funny or rather i say interesting that you use the word "Obnoxious" since that's the word my friends from various Universities within the U.S use to describe self proclaimed "Otakus". Since many of my friends and i are well aware of the Industry we part take in Anime culture. But these "Otakus" or "Weeaboos" bring a bad name to anime enthusistis since they may not properly behave themselves in social situations.
So maybe Anime Hobbies don't want to be labeled as Obnoxious Otakus because of these other individuals.
(Just speculating) :3
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Biscuithime wrote:

I am not saying that closet otakus cannot be "true fans" and I do not see being open about an interest in anime as a rite of passage at all. I am simply saying that people shouldn't go through excessive lengths to hide their interests and that they shouldn't assume that social condemnation will intrinsically come from voicing said interests.


I see. In that case, I suppose I agree with you. Its definitely not worth beating yourself up over - and it probably won't cause social condemnation (depending on what you watch and what communities you're in).

Though, i still think that mentality is somewhat... I can't describe it... idealistic? To some communities, anime really is rather unfamiliar and exotic - and all of this varies wildly depending on what you watch (for example, shonen, shoujo, or those fans of ecchi etc) and what type of community you're in. I think in some communities it could almost be considered a sort of "faux pas" - its not bad, but you shouldn't really reveal it.

The closest example I can give might be My Little Pony fans. They shouldn't be ashamed of their interest, and shouldn't beat themselves up over it, but I wouldn't blame them for going out of their way to hide it depending on what community they live and work in, if that makes any sense.

But overall, I wholeheartedly agree with you and will concede the issue generally if not entirely in the specifics.
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Biscuithime wrote:

I am not saying that closet otakus cannot be "true fans" and I do not see being open about an interest in anime as a rite of passage at all. I am simply saying that people shouldn't go through excessive lengths to hide their interests and that they shouldn't assume that social condemnation will intrinsically come from voicing said interests.


I see. In that case, I suppose I agree with you. Its definitely not worth beating yourself up over - and it probably won't cause social condemnation (depending on what you watch and what communities you're in).

Though, i still think that mentality is somewhat... I can't describe it... idealistic? To some communities, anime really is rather unfamiliar and exotic - and all of this varies wildly depending on what you watch (for example, shonen, shoujo, or those fans of ecchi etc) and what type of community you're in. I think in some communities it could almost be considered a sort of "faux pas" - its not bad, but you shouldn't really reveal it.

The closest example I can give might be My Little Pony fans. They shouldn't be ashamed of their interest, and shouldn't beat themselves up over it, but I wouldn't blame them for going out of their way to hide it depending on what community they live and work in, if that makes any sense.

But overall, I wholeheartedly agree with you and will concede the issue generally if not entirely in the specifics.


In that case, it is simply society who is ignorant.

If someone were to ask about anime, then it becomes the person being asked's obligation to inform them that people of the anime community are not just people who indulge in tentacle hentai and fawn over moe.
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Biscuithime wrote:

If there's a cultural difference, then according to you, I am using the word correctly in Western culture. I am using the word "otaku" under the most widely accepted definition. I am not saying that social isolation is guaranteed if you're interested in otaku culture and consider yourself an otaku.

Apparently you have not understood, so now I must blatantly spell things out.

I am saying that if a person (maybe even someone who would stupidly socially condemn you for you hobbies) were to come to you and blatantly ask you, "Do you indulge in anime or otaku culture?" you should not flat out lie and tell them "No." You should not go through excessive lengths to hide your hobbies from other people, because most people do not care one way or the other. Most people I know are fairly accepting of otaku culture.

Those few people who will condemn you for your hobbies/interests (regardless of what they are) are not people anyone should worry about appeasing to begin with, like I've already said.

I do not obnoxious berate my knowledge of anime upon others who are uninterested; however, if someone who is interested were to come to me and ask me about my interest in anime, I would not shy away or act as if I know nothing of the sort (which is how I would define a closet otaku).

Understand finally?
If by understanding you mean agreeing then yes because I think that's the only thing you are looking to hear. If someone were to asked you if you like anime and you do, say yes. It can't get anymore complicated than that. However using anime culture as a synonim for otaku culture misinforming.
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Biscuithime wrote:

If there's a cultural difference, then according to you, I am using the word correctly in Western culture. I am using the word "otaku" under the most widely accepted definition. I am not saying that social isolation is guaranteed if you're interested in otaku culture and consider yourself an otaku.

Apparently you have not understood, so now I must blatantly spell things out.

I am saying that if a person (maybe even someone who would stupidly socially condemn you for you hobbies) were to come to you and blatantly ask you, "Do you indulge in anime or otaku culture?" you should not flat out lie and tell them "No." You should not go through excessive lengths to hide your hobbies from other people, because most people do not care one way or the other. Most people I know are fairly accepting of otaku culture.

Those few people who will condemn you for your hobbies/interests (regardless of what they are) are not people anyone should worry about appeasing to begin with, like I've already said.

I do not obnoxious berate my knowledge of anime upon others who are uninterested; however, if someone who is interested were to come to me and ask me about my interest in anime, I would not shy away or act as if I know nothing of the sort (which is how I would define a closet otaku).

Understand finally?
If by understanding you mean agreeing then yes because I think that's the only thing you are looking to hear. If someone were to asked you if you like anime and you do, say yes. It can't get anymore complicated than that. However using anime culture as a synonim for otaku culture misinforming.


That is not the only thing I am looking to hear. Finally you understand the simplicity of this. I am not using anime culture and otaku culture synonymously. I understand that anime culture is merely a subculture of otaku culture. Okay?
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Hm, I will have to completely disagree with your statement. From my understanding, being called an Otaku in Japan isn't something you should necessarily be proud of (I could be wrong, I suppose), but since we're not in Japan, we don't have to worry about that... Of course that also depends on how you define an Otaku outside of Japan. Also, a weeaboo, going strictly off of what I personally believe a weeaboo is, is a person extremely fixated on Japan simply because of Anime. They believe Anime defines true Japanese culture and say Japan is the best place simply because of Anime. Some even take it a step further and begin to act Japanese simply because they know words like "kawaii." Whereas an Otaku (not talking about using it in Japan) can simply be defined as a person that has a deep interest in Anime and/or Manga. When you actually think about it, it can be compared to someone that's a sports fanatic.


Sorry for the OT reply...

Anyway, I don't really care about "closet otakus." Like others have said, I spend my time thinking about other things to honestly have an opinion. As for myself, my friends know I like Anime... My family... it's a bit difficult to actually explain to them what it is. My twin brother referred to it once as "stupid Japanese sh*t," so I guess getting him into Anime is out of the question
I'm not for redefining words that already has a definition associated with it. When you watch anime and see the word being used, why would someone decide that it means having a strong interest in anime? because they misinterpreted the word. They defined it wrongly.

"weeaboo is, is a person extremely fixated on Japan simply because of Anime."

which include being fixated in using a japanese word simply because of anime

-using Japanese honorifics when speaking in english
-using japanese words to replace english words, perfectly functional as they were

I define weeaboo as someone who misunderstands japanese culture because of what they see in anime, the description become more stronger if they insist on it
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StrawHatMichael wrote:

Hm, I will have to completely disagree with your statement. From my understanding, being called an Otaku in Japan isn't something you should necessarily be proud of (I could be wrong, I suppose), but since we're not in Japan, we don't have to worry about that... Of course that also depends on how you define an Otaku outside of Japan. Also, a weeaboo, going strictly off of what I personally believe a weeaboo is, is a person extremely fixated on Japan simply because of Anime. They believe Anime defines true Japanese culture and say Japan is the best place simply because of Anime. Some even take it a step further and begin to act Japanese simply because they know words like "kawaii." Whereas an Otaku (not talking about using it in Japan) can simply be defined as a person that has a deep interest in Anime and/or Manga. When you actually think about it, it can be compared to someone that's a sports fanatic.


Sorry for the OT reply...

Anyway, I don't really care about "closet otakus." Like others have said, I spend my time thinking about other things to honestly have an opinion. As for myself, my friends know I like Anime... My family... it's a bit difficult to actually explain to them what it is. My twin brother referred to it once as "stupid Japanese sh*t," so I guess getting him into Anime is out of the question
I'm not for redefining words that already has a definition associated with it. When you watch anime and see the word being used, why would someone decide that it means having a strong interest in anime? because they misinterpreted the word. They defined it wrongly.

"weeaboo is, is a person extremely fixated on Japan simply because of Anime."

which include being fixated in using a japanese word simply because of anime

-using Japanese honorifics when speaking in english
-using japanese words to replace english words, perfectly functional as they were

I define weeaboo as someone who misunderstands japanese culture because of what they see in anime, the description become more stronger if they insist on it

I'm sorry, but I found your post hard to follow. Just for clarification are you saying the word Otaku can't be used as a term for people that have a deep interest in Anime/Manga? I ask because I think you're confusing my words and you're thinking I said the term weeaboo can describe a person with a deep interest in Anime/Manga when I never said anything remotely close to that

I will also follow up that question with another question..... Would you disagree if I said words can take on new meanings? I ask because the main taking point from my post should have been their are differences in the definition of a Japanese Otaku vs a Western Otaku.
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I feel that it sucks that the social setting of certain areas has gotten to a point where people shove their hatred of certain hobbies and life choices down other people's throats. Because of this, if you feel the need to be socially accepted and hide such a hobby then I don't think that I really can have a say as to whether or not you should. As for me, I won't tell people or friends I hardly talk to about me watching substantial amounts of anime and reading substantial amounts of manga, but if you know me well enough, then you'll know that I like those things. I have music from anime, and spend most of my free time watching/reading anime/manga or doing something along those lines. I don't try to hide it because I don't feel a need to, but it's not like I'll go around telling people. I just wish that the whole need to hide the things you enjoy for fear of not being accepted would disappear, because it's stupid as hell.
Posted 4/6/14

ChristianG13 wrote:

Its funny or rather i say interesting that you use the word "Obnoxious" since that's the word my friends from various Universities within the U.S use to describe self proclaimed "Otakus". Since many of my friends and i are well aware of the Industry we part take in Anime culture. But these "Otakus" or "Weeaboos" bring a bad name to anime enthusistis since they may not properly behave themselves in social situations.
So maybe Anime Hobbies don't want to be labeled as Obnoxious Otakus because of these other individuals.
(Just speculating) :3


LOL, "properly behave"
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Well obviously within a given Context
Such not announcing your Hatred or love for an anime/ anime character in a Study hall before finals.
Under these situation i would assume people would know how to conduct themselves.
But i don't want to stray away from the original Topic at hand.
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I worry about important things.
Like spiders.


Spiders aren't something to worry about, you should worry about about your favorite anime like me. I worry about my favorite anime being ruined by misjudged funservice.
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I don't really care, so long as they don't fake being anti-anime/manga/manhua to me or something, particularly in person.
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People love to hide things from others in hopes that they won't get hurt. I'm not sure what to think of them.
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I worry about important things.
Like spiders.


spiders are terrifying
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I could care less whether people hide the fact that they watch anime or not. It ain't my business at all. It's true that people get judged for watching anime, and some people would prefer to avoid that judgement. If they wanna do that, then why should I care? I guess some people are "patriotic" about their fanbase, and would get offended that people are embarrassed by it, but I think it's their own business whether or not they wanna be open about it. People don't want to be stereotyped and it's understandable that people would try to avoid that kind of reputation, I suppose.
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