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What is your opinion of "closet otakus"?
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Posted 4/6/14
Expression towards Closet Otaku:


Towards those that cause Otaku to hide their passion:




Point is, you closet Otaku, stop being so hypocritical.
As for the bastards who insult Anime fans, just focus on whatever the hell you want and leave us alone. You don't like the greatness that is Anime, that's your problem.
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You can't tell people not to hide things to fit in. People take lives and do drugs just to be in groups.

People hide all sorts of things so "closet otakus" are nothing special.
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Thfelese wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:

I worry about important things.
Like spiders.


Spiders aren't something to worry about,


What?



Sogno- wrote:
spiders are terrifying


That's right.
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:


Thfelese wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:

I worry about important things.
Like spiders.


Spiders aren't something to worry about,


What?



Sogno- wrote:
spiders are terrifying


That's right.


What...? i didn't say that.
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I would like to rebuttal with the fact that bullying is on the rise to a massive degree, and people in the category of "Otakus" or as we are referred to by the general public, "Nerds", are commonly looked down on as inadequate. It's the basic principle of the food chain, those who are socially inept and though a bad stereotype, physically inept, are picked on by the "Alpha" human.

It's also why nerds aren't exactly in a great place when it comes to women because despite us having lost our primal instincts, we still use the selective breeding portion of our minds, meaning we choose mates that are physically and socially dominate.

So I guess generally it's to keep up appearances and keep from being the target of someones sick and twisted humor, which I can completely understand, though I don't think it should be something that could cause bullying. I was someone who was bullied as well, and though it wasn't because I was a Anime/Manga/Video gaming fan, I did see several people that could be classified as "Otakus" get the shit kicked out of them and I in turn got the shit kicked out of me for standing up for them.

It's a cruel cruel world...

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Whilst I don't hide my interests from people, there is no point talking to people about things that they are not remotely interested in.

I understand the word otaku to be more synonymous with "super fan" and not limited to specific interests. I did get called a Brazilian Jui Jitsu otaku by my Japanese teacher recently.
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No shame in watching anime, but to be honest nobody needs to know it's a thing I'm really into unless they personally ask about my interests. I don't feel I need to make it my sole identifying feature nor broadcast it as such. That said, using an anime avatar (usually Aoi Fukusaku or a MISAKA Sister) is at least a small beacon for others who've seen the same series to give them an opening for conversation; riajuu see it as some cartoon character whatever and give it no further thought and that's fine too.

e: Also, the negative connotation behind the label "otaku" in Japan is good enough reason for me to not self-identify as such. I know it has been co-opted by the west to mean something less derogatory, almost positive. Otaku in Japan are regarded as absolute socially undesirable parasitic filth and a blight on society because they don't work, drain their families, get gov't bux for doing nothing and spend it entirely on consuming what's widely regarded as children's entertainment. By contrast, I work. I help my family. I budget for the things I want if I can afford them and often do things that are far removed from the consumption of anime and manga. I may be a huge weeb, but I'm not an otaku.
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Nothing else to say because it's not my business.
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I didn't think that being an otaku referred to the mere act of watching anime. Isn't it used as a derogatory term in Japan for a reason i.e. someone antisocial and a shut-in who's life completely revolves around their hobby, in this case: anime? So it wouldn't be right for me to call myself an otaku in the first place. In the end, most people that I've seen don't watch anime, so bringing it up wouldn't spark off any sort of discussion in the first place.

I don't hide it it's just that I don't bring it up in the first place because I see no specific reason to. Those who know I like anime don't really care, we just don't talk about it. Those who are otaku hide it because they're so overly obsessed to the point that it isn't just a hobby, they're obsessed in the way that it would cause other people to be judgemental of them not simply because of their interest, but how overboard they go with said obsession. It's a concerning condition that often ties in with people being NEETs and the like, and I think those who know what an otaku is will tie the negative medical effects to that.

Put simply to me an otaku is someone so obsessed with their interest it affects them negatively as a person, at least that's what I understand from it. As I type this I can't help but think of 'Welcome to the NHK' as being a great anime that pretty much demonstrates part of what being an otaku is like. 'Genshiken' is another. The otaku are called that because they're basically a tight knit group of super nerds who are somewhat overly caught up in their interest, but not to the point that it's really as bad as it can get. The girlfriend of one of the characters often feels like she's pushed to the side a lot given how much her boyfriend loves anime and fighting games and tends to prioritise them over her.

That's an otaku, someone who's more socially inept and often pushes things to the sidelines for the sake of their obsession with their hobby. You're right in that it's stupid if one person doesn't like another because they like anime, but someone who watches anime and an otaku always struck me as vastly different things. Most otaku know it's not something to be proud of, and I wouldn't say being proud of being overly obsessed with your interest to the point that it reaches an unhealthy level is a good thing.
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ktsjr15 wrote:

I would like to rebuttal with the fact that bullying is on the rise to a massive degree, and people in the category of "Otakus" or as we are referred to by the general public, "Nerds", are commonly looked down on as inadequate. It's the basic principle of the food chain, those who are socially inept and though a bad stereotype, physically inept, are picked on by the "Alpha" human.

It's also why nerds aren't exactly in a great place when it comes to women because despite us having lost our primal instincts, we still use the selective breeding portion of our minds, meaning we choose mates that are physically and socially dominate.

So I guess generally it's to keep up appearances and keep from being the target of someones sick and twisted humor, which I can completely understand, though I don't think it should be something that could cause bullying. I was someone who was bullied as well, and though it wasn't because I was a Anime/Manga/Video gaming fan, I did see several people that could be classified as "Otakus" get the shit kicked out of them and I in turn got the shit kicked out of me for standing up for them.

It's a cruel cruel world...



Not necessarily. Bullying has always been an issue, and it's just a part of nature. You cannot eliminate bullying unless you eliminate human aggression. Speaking of human nature, if we're going off of the principles of Darwin's "natural selection," then this should be fairly simple to understand.

If we divide males into the categories of "alpha males" and "beta males," we'd first have to know exactly what defines true dominance and impotence. Dominance and impotence are, typically, not defined by your personal interests. Sure, alpha males tend to gravitate towards certain interests (e.g. sports), while beta males tend to gravitate towards other interests (e.g. video games, anime, etc.); however, I submit to you, that these interests are not what define your place on the hierarchy of alpha/beta males.

Darwin focuses on the idea that "less desirable" are decreased through the process of natural selection, while "more desirable" traits are maximized through said process. Less/more desirable traits are not defined by interests, they're defined by physical superiority and competence, plain and simple.

If an alpha male were to express his interest in anime (assuming he is physically fit and competent because he is an alpha), he would not "get the shit kicked" out of him, because he can hold his own, physically.

Like I said, alphas and betas tend to gravitate towards certain interests, but to reiterate, it is certainly not the interests that define dominance or impotence.

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Biscuithime wrote:


ktsjr15 wrote:

I would like to rebuttal with the fact that bullying is on the rise to a massive degree, and people in the category of "Otakus" or as we are referred to by the general public, "Nerds", are commonly looked down on as inadequate. It's the basic principle of the food chain, those who are socially inept and though a bad stereotype, physically inept, are picked on by the "Alpha" human.

It's also why nerds aren't exactly in a great place when it comes to women because despite us having lost our primal instincts, we still use the selective breeding portion of our minds, meaning we choose mates that are physically and socially dominate.

So I guess generally it's to keep up appearances and keep from being the target of someones sick and twisted humor, which I can completely understand, though I don't think it should be something that could cause bullying. I was someone who was bullied as well, and though it wasn't because I was a Anime/Manga/Video gaming fan, I did see several people that could be classified as "Otakus" get the shit kicked out of them and I in turn got the shit kicked out of me for standing up for them.

It's a cruel cruel world...



Not necessarily. Bullying has always been an issue, and it's just a part of nature. You cannot eliminate bullying unless you eliminate human aggression. Speaking of human nature, if we're going off of the principles of Darwin's "natural selection," then this should be fairly simple to understand.

If we divide males into the categories of "alpha males" and "beta males," we'd first have to know exactly what defines true dominance and impotence. Dominance and impotence are, typically, not defined by your personal interests. Sure, alpha males tend to gravitate towards certain interests (e.g. sports), while beta males tend to gravitate towards other interests (e.g. video games, anime, etc.); however, I submit to you, that these interests are not what define your place on the hierarchy of alpha/beta males.

Darwin focuses on the idea that "less desirable" are decreased through the process of natural selection, while "more desirable" traits are maximized through said process. Less/more desirable traits are not defined by interests, they're defined by physical superiority and competence, plain and simple.

If an alpha male were to express his interest in anime (assuming he is physically fit and competent because he is an alpha), he would not "get the shit kicked" out of him, because he can hold his own, physically.

Like I said, alphas and betas tend to gravitate towards certain interests, but to reiterate, it is certainly not the interests that define dominance or impotence.



Generally, women go for the Alpha male in natural selection. Feats of dominance or strength are generally what women gravitate towards if you follow this principal. Showings of great strength, physical stature and appearance, the all around perfect package basically. This is what is looked for in animals, and in humans as unfortunate as it.

We have since evolved beyond the ways of bashing in skulls and throwing stuff to impress women, and thus, the law of "Selective Breeding" has had a paradigm shift. So, let's put this simply, and don't look at me as arrogant or arguing for the sake of arguing, I just like meeting with someone on the same intellectual wave length.

Interests can define the pull towards a male. Albeit not in the original law of Natural Selection, women tend to play the field of favorites. Such as, a woman will take to a man who plays sports more so than one who is on the chess team, regardless of physical stature. This is because society has imprinted the view that people who play sports are more physically capable and in turn, are the Alpha Males.

But you are correct, if the foot ball captain were to enter the Otaku domain, he would not be booted from the chain due to the fact that he has already proven himself. However, most Otakus or Nerds either don't have the means capable or the strength capable to prove themselves, thus they become targets for the Alpha Male to further prove himself and claim a bigger territorial radius of strength.

Most women consider themselves to like personality or something like that more than they would physical appearance, but I don't entirely see that as true. More often than not, women will take to the "Perfect Asshole" as I like to call it rather than the "Nice Quiet Guy". I really pray I made sense with all of that, I haven't slept in two days so maybe im just rambling nonsense.
Posted 4/6/14



personally cannot tolerate closet of anything (besides a closet of clothes).


it's like annoying... because I'm open about my sexuality and hobbies. so... I find it hard to connect to people who are closeted about themselves.


there's virtually no benefit to being closet, besides having the ability to fit in... which is something I don't care about... like why would I want to fit in with people who can't accept the "real" me???


I just don't understand people with closeted stuff. /end rant.
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I guess I can be considered one, more or less. I do wear some things that show I do watch anime, like a t-shirt or belt. There are people at my school who do like anime, but they're so crazy and loud, it can get awkward really fast if you're just there to watch anime or read manga.
I see no reason to tell others my interests, either. I told my parents so they can stop asking me all these stupid questions like 'what're you doing on the computer? It's not bad, is it?'

I know for myself that it's not bad, so I tell them, and now the whole family knows. I don't tell them much else, and usually watch it alone since they're a bunch of twits about it.

Either way, it's not like a religion, I can't be either in or out. If its not in the interests of others (even if theirs are as boring as heck) I won't bring it up. My friends are really close-minded anyway.

Anyway, I'm not ashamed that I watch anime. Society tells us to be different. But if they have a problem with me actually being different from their definition of different, screw them, they need to pull their sh*t together. But I ain't a weeaboo.
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I have a few friends who know I watch anime.

I can explain the interest from an artistic perspective, why it represents a creative format that has more freedom than film and can represent almost any idea far more cheaply than other formats, and why that's a breeding ground for new ideas. I can explain the interest from a sociological perspective, how it represents the strange paradox of Japanese culture (and desired culture), how it's interesting that everything people love about anime is repressed in their society so they compartmentalized their desires into it. I also have a list of animes they could watch to illustrate these points.

What I get back is generally something like "Durr, you watch cartoons, hurr hurr."

After enough of those, I stopped telling people altogether. Waste of time.
Posted 4/6/14
I kind of understand them, honestly. I used to be a closet otaku, but I "came out." I'm more open about my love for anime, but it comes with weird looks and often insults for people who aren't affiliated with anime. But I don't care. My friends and family are fully aware I'm an otaku, and they accept me and still love me. That's all I need. ^_^
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