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I have this boss that likes to start a conversation with ethnic questions with me. He tries so hard to win an asian card.
Anyway, he asked me, "hey, Manny Pacquiao is asian like you and he's going to fight soon. Are you going to support him? A great boxer and a champion."

"I'm not really into boxing. Good for him being a champion," I responded.

"So, you're not going to watch and support your kind?," he added.

I was like, "like I said, good for him for all the accomplishments he made. But I'm not really into boxing. If you let me choose, I like Floyd Mayweather than Manny. His style is more like a counter puncher compared to Manny that showers his opponents with barrage of punches after an exchange."

"No. You have to cheer for Manny. He's like you. Be proud of your kind,"
my boss said in exchange.

"No. I have the right/freewill to at least cheer/support for any contestant I like. So, you're telling me if I was black my vote is automatically for Obama without considering what he offers/promises/ill will for his country,"
my response.

"I like basketball. Miami Heat's head coach is Erik Spoelstra. The team already won two championships back to back. Lets talk about him."




So yea. The conversation(s) ended like that. Was I wrong?
I don't like how he converts his questions. He's two steps away to ask "do you know kung fu?"
It's like there's more than that. We can have conversations without implying that I'm asian and all I do is asian stuff.

It seems like this also happens when I meet new people. They ask the same questions over and over like how rock n roll country stations ask Eminem why he raps, what school he went to, what neighborhood he grew up, what were your friends, etc.




Question: What color of skin is your boss? And what is his heritage?


He's white. He's definitely not Hispanic because I asked.


Damn. I was gonna suggest saying something that would make him feel uncomfortable. Well, the best I can suggest is the following. Next time he refers to "your" people, tell him you have no people. And if he says, "Of course you have your people." Just reply, "No, I don't. I can prove it too. Just step outside and I'll kick your racist ass all by myself." I doubt he would push beyond that. Most people like that tend to be pussies anyways. But if you don't want to go down that route, then I suggest contacting HR. The stuff you have mentioned is against federal law.
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Certainly, though I really shouldn't need to explain this. Railway, education, medicare fraud, immigration, etc. It's plain as day.

http://swampland.time.com/2011/02/16/floridas-rick-scott-sends-high-speed-rail-packing/
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-02-08/news/os-scott-education-budget-folo-20110208_1_jobs-budget-federal-money-scott-kittel
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Is-opposition-building-to-Gov-Scotts-Arizona-style-immigration-reform-115251799.html
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Rohzek wrote:
The stuff you have mentioned is against federal law.


Dude, really. Really.

Let me quote what the Boss said:


Are you going to support him? A great boxer and a champion."


There is really nothing completely wrong with that he said. Besides, It's not untrue that some people DO actually vote for Obama because he's black. It's not a racist thing to do, from a political perspective it would be but a tactic that will serve as a type of promotion (to use someone different; Obama was young, hip, highly educated and black man in a time when people thought all politicians where old farts that looked like Bush) to gain initial attention so that the attention is then used to create focused segment marketing. Of course every politician will try to try different types of promises that appeal to the different groups of people that are interested in him.
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OP, are you from the USA? If so, what state are you from?


I'm a citizen of United States of America. I'm currently in the state of Florida.


It all makes sense, you stay in a state where people can just get away with murder. So of course someone would say something as ignorant as that. Honestly, if that happens again, take it to Human Resources immediately, that kind of behavior is inappropriate for the workplace!
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Rohzek wrote:
The stuff you have mentioned is against federal law.


Dude, really. Really.

Let me quote what the Boss said:


Are you going to support him? A great boxer and a champion."


There is really nothing completely wrong with that he said. Besides, It's not untrue that some people DO actually vote for Obama because he's black. It's not a racist thing to do, from a political perspective it would be but a tactic that will serve as a type of promotion (to use someone different; Obama was young, hip, highly educated and black man in a time when people thought all politicians where old farts that looked like Bush) to gain initial attention so that the attention is then used to create focused segment marketing. Of course every politician will try to try different types of promises that appeal to the different groups of people that are interested in him.


What I said still stands. The boss explicitly asked him if he was going to support a boxer simply because he was a fellow Asian. I suggest you look over the original post once more. That's racial discrimination at the workplace, which the boss is solely responsible for. That's against federal law.

Whether or not black people vote for Obama solely based on race is beside the issue. The real issue is that this guy's boss is harassing him based on racial lines. That's against the law.
Posted 4/6/14 , edited 4/12/14

Rohzek wrote:

What I said still stands. The boss explicitly asked him if he was going to support a boxer simply because he was a fellow Asian. I suggest you look over the original post once more. That's racial discrimination at the workplace, which the boss is solely responsible for. That's against federal law.

Whether or not black people vote for Obama solely based on race is beside the issue. The real issue is that this guy's boss is harassing him based on racial lines. That's against the law.




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CoffeeGodEddy wrote:

I don't agree with your definition of racism. From what I've been taught, racism is defined as one race believing they are more superior than another and acting with that intent. I don't understand your definition. The second part (voting against) I can see, but voting for? Can you elaborate?


No one said you have to agree, nor do I expect you (or anyone) to.

However: racism is absolutely not limited to one race thinking they are superior to another. Racism comes from and is directed to all races. It has been this way since the dawn of time, and will continue until all humans cease to exist. Even if all humans look the same, the prejudice would still be there. It is a fault in our stars, I should say. Check out for yourself over the course of history. All races, all colors - all peoples have done wicked and terrible things to each other, many a time based upon differences in race, or the supposed differences. For example, people of all races have enslaved each other, and many a time for instance, they've enslaved people of the same race.

No one is exempt from racism. Not one race. Not one color. Not one person.

Secondly: If you are voting for someone based solely, mainly, or firstly upon their skin color, that is a form of racism. Why? Because you're doing the very same thing as those who are voting against someone because of their color - you are acting shallowly, and basing your opinion and judgement upon the color of someone's skin or their features first and foremost. It doesn't even matter what that person stands for just as long as you approve of their race.

That's not right any which way you see it.
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No one said you have to agree, nor do I expect you (or anyone) to.

However: racism is absolutely not limited to one race thinking they are superior to another. Racism comes from and is directed to all races. It has been this way since the dawn of time, and will continue until all humans cease to exist. Even if all humans look the same, the prejudice would still be there. It is a fault in our stars, I should say. Check out for yourself over the course of history. All races, all colors - all peoples have done wicked and terrible things to each other, many a time based upon differences in race, or the supposed differences. For example, people of all races have enslaved each other, and many a time for instance, they've enslaved people of the same race.

No one is exempt from racism. Not one race. Not one color. Not one person.

Secondly: If you are voting for someone based solely, mainly, or firstly upon their skin color, that is a form of racism. Why? Because you're doing the very same thing as those who are voting against someone because of their color - you are acting shallowly, and basing your opinion and judgement upon the color of someone's skin or their features first and foremost. It doesn't even matter what that person stands for just as long as you approve of their race.

That's not right any which way you see it.


1st Bold: Let's not start off rude because I said I disagreed with you. It was simply adding to the discussion.

2nd Bold: Violent/Wicked actions towards another doesn't automatically qualify as racism. Hitler was racist towards Jews, but he didn't kill Allied soldiers because he was a racist; he killed them because they were his enemies. People did terrible things to each other mostly because of self-interest. Conquer because it's not mine. Greed.

1st Underline:Slavery isn't racism. Enslavement was for personal gain, but that does not exclude it from being linked with racism. Did the slave captors that went to Africa bare any grudge/hatred to anyone they captured? Maybe, but they were doing it for a profit as wrong as it was.

2nd Underline: Though it may hold true that any race can harbor racism, I believe racism cannot be applied to everyone, that some people are exempt to it. I think this because racism is something that is taught. If you aren't taught at an early age or pressured by social influences, what's going to make you racist? The black coworker who got a raise before you? Please, not all people are that petty.

3rd Bold: If you vote for someone because they are the same race, how does that make you racist? Let's say you don't follow politics or stand on a specific side. You are going to vote for the person you relate to the most, whether it be religious standing or skin tone. Doing a particular action because you have something in common or relate to someone is not racism.

Lastly, I think you over-exaggerate racism. That is all.


Here's some links:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism?s=t
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slave?s=t

There is only one race, the Human Race.
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dragontackle wrote:

It all makes sense, you stay in a state where people can just get away with murder. So of course someone would say something as ignorant as that.


i'm pretty sure that people get away with murder in every state i'm also fairly certain that ignorance is also in every state. in fact, i might could say getting away with murder and being ignorant is in every country.

but hey, i could be wrong
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The guy is clearly racist.
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I don't think that racism is "in our stars." That seems to imply that it's written into our genes or something. It's a product of our collective past as the human race, and it is tightly bound to the environments in which we are raised and continue to live. It is outside factors (first and foremost) that form the way we look at race because we aren't born with specific worldviews--we develop them as we grow. Therefore, I believe it is something we can overcome by changing ourselves and the perspectives of those who will come after our time. As someone who has experienced racism first-hand several times, I do agree that racism is something with which we will struggle (possibly for generations to come), though I remain optimistic that future generations may be able to accomplish what we can't, and eradicate racism with their progressive minds After all, even though we still have far to go, we ourselves have come pretty far.

Concerning voting for Obama, I think it's a pretty sad state of affairs when people base their votes on anything other than candidates' platforms (even political parties), but you may be oversimplifying the reason people voted for him. True, many voted for him because he was black, but rather than only looking at the color of his skin, there are many underlying factors that had to do with what his skin color represented. For many minorities, he was that "change" of tides--proof that race can't place a limit on how far you can go. And while I can't speak to how well thought-out it may be, many who voted for him because he wasn't just another white politician voted for him because they felt they could relate to him; intuitively, they believed that he could better understand them.

Hope none of that came off as rude. I'm pretty passionate when it comes to talks about racism, so sorry in advance if it does come off as overly argumentative. Side-note: I don't like talking politics. I also don't vote. Yet
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CoffeeGodEddy wrote:3rd Bold: If you vote for someone because they are the same race, how does that make you racist?


The part where a choice is made to hurt someone's chance of winning an election because of their race.
Posted 4/6/14 , edited 4/6/14

CoffeeGodEddy wrote:

1st Bold: Let's not start off rude because I said I disagreed with you. It was simply adding to the discussion.

2nd Bold: Violent/Wicked actions towards another doesn't automatically qualify as racism. Hitler was racist towards Jews, but he didn't kill Allied soldiers because he was a racist; he killed them because they were his enemies. People did terrible things to each other mostly because of self-interest. Conquer because it's not mine. Greed.

1st Underline:Slavery isn't racism. Enslavement was for personal gain, but that does not exclude it from being linked with racism. Did the slave captors that went to Africa bare any grudge/hatred to anyone they captured? Maybe, but they were doing it for a profit as wrong as it was.

2nd Underline: Though it may hold true that any race can harbor racism, I believe racism cannot be applied to everyone, that some people are exempt to it. I think this because racism is something that is taught. If you aren't taught at an early age or pressured by social influences, what's going to make you racist? The black coworker who got a raise before you? Please, not all people are that petty.

3rd Bold: If you vote for someone because they are the same race, how does that make you racist? Let's say you don't follow politics or stand on a specific side. You are going to vote for the person you relate to the most, whether it be religious standing or skin tone. Doing a particular action because you have something in common or relate to someone is not racism.

Lastly, I think you over-exaggerate racism. That is all.


Here's some links:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism?s=t
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slave?s=t

There is only one race, the Human Race.


1) I said that because you said you didn’t agree. It didn’t have any underlying meaning, or rudeness – though it seems to have come across that way, and I apologize for that. Like I said, I don’t expect people to agree with me and it won’t change my opinion usually – but this was just a statement.

2) You’re right, wicked/violent actions towards each other do not qualify as racism. I should have said though, that many a time throughout history racism is in fact the root cause of these wicked and violent actions. It has been proven time and time again throughout history – many a time racism/prejudice/thinking a race of people is less because of skin color/beliefs/religion/bloodline/country is the basest cause for conflict. Not always of course – but many a time. This is of course, coupled with other things.

3) Slavery is not racism all the time. Sometimes it was/is like you stated, for personal gain. Sometimes it is a mix of both, but with the thinking that a human being or a race is beneath and below a person because of the color of their skin/beliefs/religion. And many times it is racism. Either different races with one race feeling superior (mainly) because of skin color, or the same race with one peoples feeling superior because of differences in country/etc.

4) I do not believe that racism can be applied to everyone. However when I made my commentary upon the fact that no race/peoples are exempt from racism I meant just that. Some individual of a certain group of people doesn’t have to be racist, but there is not one group in history that at some time was not racist as a peoples. And of course, this racism comes in different forms.

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If you vote for someone mainly because of their race, and especially vote for them because the first thing you saw was the color of their skin/their features, that is a form of racism. You do not want people to vote against someone based (mainly) upon what they look like, yet you yourself vote for someone based (mainly) upon what they look like. That is both racism and hypocrisy. There’s a difference between relating to someone, and then voting for someone almost blindly based on what they look like/their religion.

6) I don’t believe I over exaggerate racism, because I know it is rampant in society though many put a lid on it and act like it’s not so bad. Of course, it is not like in the past where there was segregation, but it still thrives among many people though it is (usually) more subtle in today’s world. For instance, the horrible treatment darker skinned people get in Hong Kong. The "white teachers preferably" movement in South Korea and the difference in treatment for different skin colors. The racism in Australia. The way whites are treated in South Africa. The neo-Nazi movements in Germany and Russia.

This is not over exaggeration. This is fact.

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An estimated 3010 wars have taken place in recorded human history and you mean to tell me racism is behind most of them? No historian would buy that. You would have to back that statement up. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but they are not entitled to their own facts.

What you're doing is over-defining racism to fit any criteria. I cannot argue with that. The whole voting scenario is asinine too. Every African American man or woman that voted for Obama because they didn't follow politics is now a racist. I've lost interest in this discussion.
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