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Sounds like the guy is simply ignorant and rude. He has some mistaken and illogical frameworks in his head. I think you handled it fine, if it continues though I would suggest getting HR involved.

In reference to racism, a couple interesting facts and theories.

In absence of parents or guardians with racist views, children who grow up around other races do not tend to be racist against those races. They tend to be less comfortable, and sometimes racist, with regards to races with which they are not familiar. This data was collected from many groups.

There have been experiments conducted with children dividing them based on height, eye color, or some other feature. Researchers have found it is startlingly easy to encourage racist type behaviors by putting the groups into competition with one another over something that matters to them so long as inter-group cooperation is either discouraged or prevented.

There are some theories that essentially suggest that humans left the jungle for the plains due to being out competed for fruit. The other great ape relatives could digest tannins, our ancestors could not. This meant they ate the fruit before it was ripe so that we had little to nothing. The plains have big, fast, nasty, and hungry predators. Like lions. To survive them we need larger groups and armed groups. This results in there no longer being any real threat to us, except other groups of our kind. The theory that follows on the heels of this one is that groups with a predisposition to be welcoming and unsuspicious were often killed. This would create a significant selective pressure for disliking "others" or "outsiders". If this is accurate, it would explain the prevalence of racism. It would not be that we are hard wired to be racist, but that we are hard wired with a strong potential for it. Rather than being based on race itself, it would be based on a combination of exposure and familiarity. This doesn't make racism okay, but it would explain why the methods we know that work to alleviate racist tendencies do work. It would also neatly explain almost every racist dynamic I know of. Just some food for thought.
Posted 4/7/14

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An estimated 3010 wars have taken place in recorded human history and you mean to tell me racism is behind most of them? No historian would buy that. You would have to back that statement up. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but they are not entitled to their own facts.

What you're doing is over-defining racism to fit any criteria. I cannot argue with that. The whole voting scenario is asinine too. Every African American man or woman that voted for Obama because they didn't follow politics is now a racist. I've lost interest in this discussion.


I do believe racism is behind a lot of human conflict in history. I don't need anything to back up my statement. You can look for yourself and see that many times tension and turbulence has been caused by racism, and some form of it.

Again, you misunderstood me and grabbed the bull by the horns. Obviously not every (black) person who voted for Obama is racist, but a great deal did vote for him mainly because he is black/part black. That being said, not every non-black person who didn't vote for Obama is racist, but there were people who didn't vote for him because he is black.

So, the moment I mention events that take place in today's world, it becomes over defining? Right-o.

Good day.
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I do believe racism is behind a lot of human conflict in history. I don't need anything to back up my statement. You can look for yourself and see that many times tension and turbulence has been caused by racism, and some form of it.

Again, you misunderstood me and grabbed the bull by the horns. Obviously not every (black) person who voted for Obama is racist, but a great deal did vote for him mainly because he is black/part black. That being said, not every non-black person who didn't vote for Obama is racist, but there were people who didn't vote for him because he is black.

So, the moment I mention events that take place in today's world, it becomes over defining? Right-o.

Good day.


Aye, good day. No hard feelings of course.
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I have this boss that likes to start a conversation with ethnic questions with me. He tries so hard to win an asian card.
Anyway, he asked me, "hey, Manny Pacquiao is asian like you and he's going to fight soon. Are you going to support him? A great boxer and a champion."

"I'm not really into boxing. Good for him being a champion," I responded.

"So, you're not going to watch and support your kind?," he added.

I was like, "like I said, good for him for all the accomplishments he made. But I'm not really into boxing. If you let me choose, I like Floyd Mayweather than Manny. His style is more like a counter puncher compared to Manny that showers his opponents with barrage of punches after an exchange."

"No. You have to cheer for Manny. He's like you. Be proud of your kind,"
my boss said in exchange.

"No. I have the right/freewill to at least cheer/support for any contestant I like. So, you're telling me if I was black my vote is automatically for Obama without considering what he offers/promises/ill will for his country,"
my response.

"I like basketball. Miami Heat's head coach is Erik Spoelstra. The team already won two championships back to back. Lets talk about him."




So yea. The conversation(s) ended like that. Was I wrong?
I don't like how he converts his questions. He's two steps away to ask "do you know kung fu?"
It's like there's more than that. We can have conversations without implying that I'm asian and all I do is asian stuff.

It seems like this also happens when I meet new people. They ask the same questions over and over like how rock n roll country stations ask Eminem why he raps, what school he went to, what neighborhood he grew up, what were your friends, etc.




Never had/seen this moment with any people I've ever been around. I think your boss much be just a special type of douche.
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Does everyone know Barrack Obama is biracial? Can you even consider him Black at all when he is only half?


He is labeled the first black president, so yes.
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onibrotonel wrote:

I have this boss that likes to start a conversation with ethnic questions with me. He tries so hard to win an asian card.
Anyway, he asked me, "hey, Manny Pacquiao is asian like you and he's going to fight soon. Are you going to support him? A great boxer and a champion."

"I'm not really into boxing. Good for him being a champion," I responded.

"So, you're not going to watch and support your kind?," he added.

I was like, "like I said, good for him for all the accomplishments he made. But I'm not really into boxing. If you let me choose, I like Floyd Mayweather than Manny. His style is more like a counter puncher compared to Manny that showers his opponents with barrage of punches after an exchange."

"No. You have to cheer for Manny. He's like you. Be proud of your kind,"
my boss said in exchange.

"No. I have the right/freewill to at least cheer/support for any contestant I like. So, you're telling me if I was black my vote is automatically for Obama without considering what he offers/promises/ill will for his country,"
my response.

"I like basketball. Miami Heat's head coach is Erik Spoelstra. The team already won two championships back to back. Lets talk about him."




So yea. The conversation(s) ended like that. Was I wrong?
I don't like how he converts his questions. He's two steps away to ask "do you know kung fu?"
It's like there's more than that. We can have conversations without implying that I'm asian and all I do is asian stuff.

It seems like this also happens when I meet new people. They ask the same questions over and over like how rock n roll country stations ask Eminem why he raps, what school he went to, what neighborhood he grew up, what were your friends, etc.




No, you weren't wrong..

My response to everything else going on in this thread. (lol) <3
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just be like "no because no" and walk away. thats what I do with my boss xD
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Posted 4/7/14

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qualeshia3 wrote:

Does everyone know Barrack Obama is biracial? Can you even consider him Black at all when he is only half?


He is labeled the first black president, so yes.



He should be labeled biracial but no one wants to think like that.
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The title seemed narrow-minded, but the post made sense lol. It's what your boss being narrow-minded was.

But yea I'm not okay with judging people on their ethic group. (no not races, there is no such thing as races. Only one, the human race.)

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qualeshia3 wrote:


LightningChocobo wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

Does everyone know Barrack Obama is biracial? Can you even consider him Black at all when he is only half?


He is labeled the first black president, so yes.



He should be labeled biracial but no one wants to think like that.


I agree with you.
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I get this bullshit too. They phrase their questions like there is only one answer, as if I'm incapable of having free thought.
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I have the problem of reading a tone into other peoples posts too.

Refer to this from the rules:


7.2 Assume Goodwill
Internet tone is easy to misinterpret, hence unless the evidence highly suggests otherwise, take some time to think - could the post you just read be interpreted in a friendlier fashion? Give them the benefit of doubt.

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Yeah, it's saddens me.
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qualeshia3 wrote:


LightningChocobo wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

Does everyone know Barrack Obama is biracial? Can you even consider him Black at all when he is only half?


He is labeled the first black president, so yes.



He should be labeled biracial but no one wants to think like that.

Identity is a complex thing, particularly ethnic/'racial' identity because in its essence it's so wholly tenuous. I'm really not bothered when someone calls themself something that might not be 100%, if it's a label that is convenient through being widely used and recognized, and/or one that the person identifies with. In this case it's only natural: In any given country you are identified by your differences to the majority, what sets you apart. It's why you get stuff like the "1% rule", why people identify as black despite not being very dark, whereas if such people called themselves 'white' it would seem ridiculous. Also worrying, given certain historical trends we all know of.

I chose 'mixed' on CR because this I feel that accuracy on the internet is important given that people can't see my face. IRL, I use black/mixed interchangeably, but generally the former, because the latter has almost 0 meaning given that 'mixed' people do not form a concrete, self-conscious group of their own. I think that's a good thing though, the less salad-bowlish and tribalistic we are in the Occident, the more relaxed about such issues we'll become I believe. Nothing like being in a group of people of different backgrounds, everybody can take the piss of each other equally and have a laugh.

@OP yeah your boss is a tool. It's rare to see someone actually go that far with such an idiotic assumption, because usually people will sweatily cut themselves short at the mere hint that they might have said something inappropriate.
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racism is funny
Pacquiou is a great boxer, have yet to meet a filipino who doesn't like him.
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