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Nomad9931 wrote:

I really hope not, the whole concept of living forever is kind of depressing. You get to watch all your friends die, you outlive everything and get to end up as the stereo-typical jaded immortal elder living far far far away from anyone wishing it had never happened.


Too right. We'd all like to live longer, not worrying when the light goes out for us.

Yet if we did live forever, they'd be no point in living life. It'd be dull with nothing new coming into the world. Not to mention terrifying with others dying and you never truly enjoying that life.
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Well.... last I heard, there's some sort of sea-creature (possibly a jellyfish) that after reaching a certain age, starts getting young again, and then ages again in that pattern. If *scientists* figure out a way to apply this to humans, be prepared to find people *the rich* who claim themselves to be God and control Earth with the palms of their hands.

Here's a link: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/01/090130-immortal-jellyfish-swarm.html
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What about the prospect of being murdered? No amount of life support could stop a bullet through your skull.


1) Replace the cranium with armour plating, like wolverine (although adamantium isn't real and probably some carbon lattice would be better than a metal alloy).

2) Modify the structure of the brain and its tissues, with enough redundancy (maybe you have a backup cyberbrain where one of your kidneys used to be) that letting a bullet pass straight through is NBD.

3) If it's consistent with your philosophy of identity - what it is you think makes you "you" - have your memories stored in a computer and loaded into a backup once your original brain is destroyed. The anime examples of this that I can think of seem to assume a philosophy of identity that's not consistent with it (Rei Ayanami, Misaka's "sisters"), so I'll instead compare it to Hank and Dean in the Venture Bros. Or the Arnie film "The Sixth Day".

Also, fun fact: 10% of people who receive bullet wounds to the head survive.
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kaz3320 wrote:

Well.... last I heard, there's some sort of sea-creature (possibly a jellyfish) that after reaching a certain age, starts getting young again, and then ages again in that pattern. If *scientists* figure out a way to apply this to humans, be prepared to find people *the rich* who claim themselves to be God and control Earth with the palms of their hands.

Here's a link: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/01/090130-immortal-jellyfish-swarm.html


The problem with that is, it's a creature so primitive it doesn't even have a brain, that attains immortality by regressing to a state even more primitive than that. The equivalent in humans wouldn't mean becoming a child again, it would mean regressing yourself all the way to an embryo that hasn't even developed a spine. This essentially just means that you die and are replaced by a genetic clone of yourself.
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No, stop dreaming LOL
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We are all immortal. And then we die.
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thewanderingforce wrote:

What about the prospect of being murdered? No amount of life support could stop a bullet through your skull.


1) Replace the cranium with armour plating, like wolverine (although adamantium isn't real and probably some carbon lattice would be better than a metal alloy).

2) Modify the structure of the brain and its tissues, with enough redundancy (maybe you have a backup cyberbrain where one of your kidneys used to be) that letting a bullet pass straight through is NBD.

3) If it's consistent with your philosophy of identity - what it is you think makes you "you" - have your memories stored in a computer and loaded into a backup once your original brain is destroyed. The anime examples of this that I can think of seem to assume a philosophy of identity that's not consistent with it (Rei Ayanami, Misaka's "sisters"), so I'll instead compare it to Hank and Dean in the Venture Bros. Or the Arnie film "The Sixth Day".

Also, fun fact: 10% of people who receive bullet wounds to the head survive.


And the solution to a concerted rocket launcher attack combined with the shredding of whatever backup media you're using? What if the government wants you gone? You can run, but eventually you'll run out of options.
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As someone who is immortal, I'd like to inform you that it's not possible.

You can't have it.
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Scientifically speaking it is possible however due to conditions any human on earth lives in none has ever achieved it. Your cells must be capable of replicating infinitely without losing the quality of the replications and effects of aging must also be cured. This will make you immortal but not unkillable. Even still a paper cut can kill you. If the paper is very big and the wound is deep.
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It's definitely not right now. Maybe in the future. It's a depressing concept. I'd like to think if there is some sort of magic elixir that makes us immortal there's also something that can undo it. I don't think many would opt to live forever and have that be their final, irreversable choice.
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Wont it be terrible being immortal.
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In Humans? I believe that in the Future, much of what We Dream andimagine will have been made Scientifically possible.

But in the meantime, ask Shin Kubota to sing His Song about these little Guys for You.

They are one of several different Lifeforms, if it ISachieved, that could have some possibility of influence toward that positive...or negative outcome.
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Well if we could perfect cloning and store ouer minds "data" so when you die a clone is made and your data is restored into the clone and boom you live agian achiveable? Mabye in a long long time
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Nobodyofimportance wrote:


Rowan93 wrote:


thewanderingforce wrote:

What about the prospect of being murdered? No amount of life support could stop a bullet through your skull.


1) Replace the cranium with armour plating, like wolverine (although adamantium isn't real and probably some carbon lattice would be better than a metal alloy).

2) Modify the structure of the brain and its tissues, with enough redundancy (maybe you have a backup cyberbrain where one of your kidneys used to be) that letting a bullet pass straight through is NBD.

3) If it's consistent with your philosophy of identity - what it is you think makes you "you" - have your memories stored in a computer and loaded into a backup once your original brain is destroyed. The anime examples of this that I can think of seem to assume a philosophy of identity that's not consistent with it (Rei Ayanami, Misaka's "sisters"), so I'll instead compare it to Hank and Dean in the Venture Bros. Or the Arnie film "The Sixth Day".

Also, fun fact: 10% of people who receive bullet wounds to the head survive.


And the solution to a concerted rocket launcher attack combined with the shredding of whatever backup media you're using? What if the government wants you gone? You can run, but eventually you'll run out of options.


I wasn't so much arguing that it's possible to be so immortal that nobody can murder you, as I was arguing that it's at least possible to be immortal enough that you enemies have to go further than just putting a bullet in your head like they would a regular guy.

Although... if you have a high-end armoured cyborg body you probably have good enough point defence that rocket attacks just aren't viable against you. The era when a government that wanted to destroy some data could just find that data and shred it was decades ago, I mean look at all that data that Wikileaks has that the government can't destroy - you could find an organization friendly to you, or better yet an org that's just really against killing people on principle, no matter what the government says they've done, and have your backup data released as an encrypted torrent, with the key to be released upon your death. That has the side effect of creating lots of yous who don't have much evidence for which is the original, but that's not even necessarily a downside it just makes you even more massively redundant.

I'll save you the trouble of coming up with a scenario that actually does kill you no matter what (currently foreseeable technological) immortality stuff you have: The Sun unexpectedly goes supernova and we don't have any data banks with cloning facilities and internet access on extrasolar colonies.

Or, alternately; you happen to have a philosophy of identity that says the clone with your memories is just a copy, which also means your backup cyberbrain only does vital functions not connected with consciousness, and someone shoots you in the head with a .50 cal rifle that sends your reinforced head flying away from your headless body which wanders about like a chicken's would while your head's energy reserves slowly deplete in the ditch it landed in.
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There are some animals that can live for a ridiculous amount of time, so maybe gene splicing can give humans the possibility to be practically immortal?

http://www.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=3754447
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