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Posted 4/13/14 , edited 4/13/14
Interesting. This sort of thing really isn't my forte, but those all sound terrible to me. Plus I feel like there should be more options than that... but as I said, its not my forte so I won't argue it...

I guess i'd pick some sort of combination of propria persona and rank ascend, but as I said, those both sound terrible.

As for which is most correct, i'm not sure that can be answered... I mean, if it was that simple, we'd probably have it set up by now.. if I had to pick, then I don't know, I guess i'd go with "head of an empire." All of those feel a bit like generalizations though, but maybe that's just me...

I kind of like the principle behind the American system. Not necessarily how it runs in practice, but the idea behind it (if I understand it properly, which admittedly, I probably don't). I've always thought a melding of a democracy and a republic is a good idea. You get the will of the majority, but you also get minority voice and refined opinion through representation. Sounded good to me when I heard it...but then, I suppose that's just my uninformed opinion.

I've never been good with this kind of stuff. lol
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Posted 7/7/14
Communism without the corruption and political abuse it has received by past dictators. American textbook propaganda makes it sound like the evilest form of government. Capitalism is evil. Democracy doesn't work. Politicians make us think it works.
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Posted 7/7/14
Technocracy, that is all.
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Posted 7/7/14
national socialism
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Posted 7/7/14
All goverments serve to pleasure themselves.

However, Democracy which was created by the Greeks, seems to be the most proper and practical.
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Posted 7/7/14 , edited 7/7/14


Listen to this person. They know what they are talking about.
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Posted 7/7/14

Magical-Soul wrote:If 7 out of 10 people say you're breaking the law. You're breaking the law in a democracy, regardless of what you were actually doing.


I believe it's 12 out of 12 jurors in most states.

Well, this is an old thread, but sort of interesting. I don't think "Propria Persona" is correct, but I'm not sure I understand how it's supposed to work. The description by the OP makes it sound like it's supposed to be magic that jails people for hurting others. Obviously, there needs to be a realistic way of giving someone authority so they can make a decision about whether or not someone committed a wrongdoing.

I think that all three of the other government types are correct, because they give power to the most deserving. In any direct conflict, a very powerful strategist, or a group of highly skilled individuals, or the side with more people will have a distinct advantage. They possess real authority before a government awards them with assumed authority.
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Posted 7/7/14
no government! yay anarchy for the win
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Posted 7/7/14
Is it just me, or is "Propria Persona" pretty much just the first amendment?
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Posted 7/7/14
Listen here n00b. That`s all the forms of government you know?

I may choose a Republic based on Semi-Timocracy.
Posted 9/3/14
DEMOCRACY.

Head of a Empire sounds like a you're living in medieval fairy tale era.
Rank Ascend sounds like a video game.
Propria Persona sounded good at first, but then you read the last parts and it made me choose Democracy.
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Posted 9/3/14
Democracy...or a CHIMEKO themed theocracy.
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Posted 9/3/14 , edited 9/3/14
With a small population, a truly democratic government functions pretty well, considering that everyone possesses the capacity to influence legislative decisions. However, we no longer live in little city states, making such a government unsuitable. Now, I believe the most practical form of government is a representative democracy, which does an effective job of balancing individual rights and federal power. Freedom both reinforces and undermines the authority of the government, making it necessary to provide some limits on individual agency. Since I'm a cynic, if we had complete anarchy, we would probably be still governed by an elite aristocracy. Furthermore, reallocating resources among people equally would remove the incentive for people to work hard, thereby rendering communism counterproductive to societal improvement. Communist regimes also resort to censorship and murder to maintain authority, demonstrating that communism is unattainable in reality. Russia serves as a testament to my argument.

So yes, government is necessary, and representative democracy offers the best solution.
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Posted 9/3/14 , edited 9/3/14

Magical-Soul wrote:


tenchi22 wrote:

Bureaucracy, governments mostly make laws to suit those who advise and implement; and thus shape the laws and how they are interpreted.


Democracy is Bureaucracy. That's the code word.

People who choose bureau should choose democracy.


I would prefer propria persona, mainly because I myself have strong libertarian leanings.

I must question your characterization of Empire though. You paint it as absolute, and that rights don't exist: "If the emperor says do this, you do it." You would be hard pressed to find an empire where rights don't exist, nor any sort of recourse in history. Almost all societies built around notions of aristocracies and elites are constructed around cultural notions of prestige, known as the "prestige economy." In short, if an elite's goal is to enhance their status, the best way to do that is to enhance their prestige. If the monarch holds an exorbitant hold upon the prestige economy in the realm, then the elite would be inclined to closely associate with that said monarch. The details of a prestige economy vary from culture to culture of course, and change over time. The ability and power of a monarch is very much determined by their effectiveness and monopolization of this prestige economy within a socio-political environment. If the values of a prestige economy are in large part in line with NOT abusing the people and having absolute control over them (at least in many if not most situations), then generally it would harm a monarch's grasp upon the prestige economy to act as so, thus his/her ability to command power. One could argue, that no one would carry out this order even if the monarch wanted to. While there might be no "constitutional" limit to the authority of the monarch, that doesn't mean that cultural notions or the prestige economy don't do that in the place of a constitution.

Also, on what grounds do you say a bureaucracy is synonymous with democracy? This seems to fly in the face of Max Weber, who practically invented the term. He never said that empire/monarchy was mutually exclusive to bureaucracy, nor do I think there is any reason to suggest such. I think a great example to the contrary Ptolemaic Egypt, a successor state to Alexander the Great's empire. While nowhere near as centralized and bureaucratized as both Max Weber and Karl Marx initially thought nor really as authoritarian in the patrimonial state sense, I think J. G. Manning goes a long way to show that Ancient Egypt had one in much of the sense of the word. See his book:

Land and Power in Ptolemaic Egypt: The structure of land tenure 332–30 BCE. Cambridge Press, 2003.

The only reason I point this book out is that you say you are interested in history, as am I. I must say though, it was a very difficult book for me to grasp, as he mostly analyzes temple records and economic transactions.
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Posted 9/3/14
I lean the most towards anarchy, though corruption/selfishness festers everything, including my choice. I support the idea of revolutions, even though they're usually brutally ugly affairs. I can put up with governments, put I find that revolutions essentially scrub-out stagnation.
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