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How about no government and call it a day.
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Sole Survivor.
The rest of the population is removed/banished/eliminated. I do whatever the hell I like as there's no one to stop me.
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I would choose a constitutional, representative republic, based off of fundamental natural rights (as distinct from the modern concept of human rights). AKA, the governmental framework established by the US Constitution.

This would probably be closest to propria persona in the op post

The best, and only legitimate form of government, in my view, is one based on (a) mutually agreed upon consensual, social contract/s. Basically, voluntaryism. The issue that comes up though is it's practicality in the world as it is now, and I believe the US constitution is the best compromise between minimum necessary government and individual liberty.

Of course the current state of the US government has already strayed a ways off of that original document, but it's not too far gone yet, and I would say it's still preferable to any other form of government in use today.


ROD_Junior wrote:


Magical-Soul wrote:

Propria Persona - (Proper Person)
The original government of all lands on earth.


I call bullshit. What you describe is the American libertarian ideal, but it includes the modern concepts of "property", "law", "equality" and "individuality". Those who think that notions of despotism and hierarchy don't go back to the time all our ancestors lived in small tribes and way beyond should read up on studies of primates.

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Property, individual rights, and law (when referring to natural law) are fundamental aspects of nature. Natural rights are rights that can be exercised/maintained through ones own efforts/labors. Thus life is a natural right essentially, as soon as one is capable of breathing independently. Exercising ones own living body to acquire resources through labor is thus also part of that natural right to life, and what is acquired through that labor, is what is conceptualized as property. So property is also a natural right, All natural rights are individual, they arise from and apply to an individual being. Natural rights are derived from observation of nature and are formed into cogent principles or laws via the virtue of human reason, something innate to either the human brain, or the human consciousness.

Anyone interested in natural law or natural rights, should watch this video, it's a good intro to those ideas.
Natural Law
http://youtu.be/5yRkiaeqWxI

Natural Rights
http://youtu.be/KV9JwHjnGV8
http://youtu.be/peG18JWWSDk
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I choose no government.
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A good monarchy is better than a good democracy, but a bad monarchy is worse than a bad democracy.
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I lean the most towards anarchy, though corruption/selfishness festers everything, including my choice. I support the idea of revolutions, even though they're usually brutally ugly affairs. I can put up with governments, put I find that revolutions essentially scrub-out stagnation.


Anarchy is probably my worst fear, like literally ever. For almost the whole year of 2013, I was close to being "owned", if I had only the rights I could personally defend, I would be basically be made subservient, as I'm sure a lot of people would, like honestly, I would be literally be property right now. You most definitely would be too.
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Magical-Soul wrote:



Anarchy is probably my worst fear, like literally ever. For almost the whole year of 2013, I was close to being "owned", if I had only the rights I could personally defend, I would be basically be made subservient, as I'm sure a lot of people would, like honestly, I would be literally be property right now. You most definitely would be too.


I believe that you misunderstood, or, rather, I didn't explain clearly enough. Although I said that I lean towards anarchy, I'm the type of person who largely doesn't care much about politics and whatnot. In other words, my anarchist tendencies are lukewarm and reflect my instinctive distaste towards being a puppet. I do not support hardcore anarchy, but, instead, the benefits of revolutions and civil wars. Nonetheless, I must point out that your discussion seemingly operates under the assumption that your pre-anarchy government allows for a good amount of rights. Countries like North Korea would need a revolution to rid themselves of tyranny.
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Magical-Soul wrote:



Anarchy is probably my worst fear, like literally ever. For almost the whole year of 2013, I was close to being "owned", if I had only the rights I could personally defend, I would be basically be made subservient, as I'm sure a lot of people would, like honestly, I would be literally be property right now. You most definitely would be too.


I believe that you misunderstood, or, rather, I didn't explain clearly enough. Although I said that I lean towards anarchy, I'm the type of person who largely doesn't care much about politics and whatnot. In other words, my anarchist tendencies are lukewarm and reflect my instinctive distaste towards being a puppet. I do not support hardcore anarchy, but, instead, the benefits of revolutions and civil wars. Nonetheless, I must point out that your discussion seemingly operates under the assumption that your pre-anarchy government allows for a good amount of rights. Countries like North Korea would need a revolution to rid themselves of tyranny.


... I'm not gonna lie, a lot of the stuff you said, went right over my head, I didn't understand it very much, especially the -


I must point out that your discussion seemingly operates under the assumption that pre-anarchy government allows for a good amount of rights


Which is very hard to interpret, assuming governments "gives" or "allows" rights at all, and I didn't get the assumption bit either, phew... I'm not as sharp as I normally am at the moment, so... Sorry.
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Oh, I thought that you took my original post to mean that I wholeheartedly support anarchy, so I tried to explain why it isn't the case. Then, I mentioned that you're initial reply sounds like you fear anarchy stripping you of rights, so I brought up that some governments essentially treat their people like cattle; that anarchy can't take away what wasn't there to begin with, and that anarchy can be used to restore people's rights when overthrowing dictatorships.

I have to apologize, as well. I haven't entirely woken up, and my bad habit of treating CR posts like miniature essays can make me hard to understand.
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Constitutional Anarchy, lots of guns, and everyone has them. Guilds to protect their constituents. A do it or else curfew for law-abiders, poisonous gas on the streets after hours. A contractor sherrif with a strict code of honour and justice that never misses and a posse of noble policewomen. Something like that..
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I don't give a rat's ass. Just whichever one that doesn't intrude on me too much. Could be any, could be all.

Every last one of 'em are prone to corruption, they're alike in that regard.

No matter which system, it couldn't be a "pure" system based on any ideology. Invariably, something has to give when practical reality comes in to play.

Whichever "system" that ignores human nature would just produce more misery than those that accomodate a bit more.
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