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Racism From Your Own Race
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revesur wrote:
Racism isn't something that will EVER be solved.

Well, If I ever get a History Eraser Button, and destroy the universe, I think that would solve it.
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Posted 4/9/14 , edited 4/9/14

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Yes, I'm African-American and I'm treated as if I wasn't black. They used to mock how I spoke because it was "white". They mocked how light I was. I wasn't the typical African-American so I was treated differently, but I moved and I live around awesome people now, its all in the past.


I feel your pain guy. I get the "I'm blacker than you!" joke from white people all the time.


Why the FUCK do they feel the need to say that, and actually think it's funny.

I don't get it.
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You are making an assumption of bigotry, where the reasons that they may be short with you or even rude could be wide and varied. There are so many reasons and circumstances that I a person can act a certain way that to make any assumptions about the reason is foolish. When one jumps to an assumption of bigotry, it is often because of their own bigotry. Sorry if that was harsh and doesn't really apply to you, but it is far better when making assumptions to make ones that favor those you are making assumptions about. When people have been rude to me, if I assume anything, I usually assume that they have had are had day or something. I don't make assumptions about their character.

That's the problem with most racism. People don't openly explain their reasons for acting because they feel they shouldn't for whatever reason. It can make you pretty paranoid because all you'll ever have is a hunch whether or not you were treated the way you were because of your skin colour or whatever other silly reason. I tend to act as though it isn't because of that and not start calling people out left, right and centre without proof though. But when you get frankly different treatment at an establishment than other customers who come in immediately after you, it really does beg the question.

As for Asians and skin-tone, I really shouldn't be generalizing, but I'll say that it seems quite engrained in at least a couple East Asian countries, following a dated assumption that people with dark skin were labourers who worked in the sun, whereas pale women were more elite and feminine. I've heard this about Japan but more explicitly about Thailand, actually. Apparently, they actually make a killing selling skin-bleaching products out there, and allegedly it isn't a rarity to see women walking around with umbrellas in the sun...in order to avoid being 'blackened'...


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In the community, some of them look down on light-skinned African-Americans regardless if they're mixed or not. I'm a light-skinned African-American but not mixed.

Yeah, when I was a teen I got negative attention for being different in behaviour from what's expected of a black male, from both whites and blacks alike. Though in retrospect I attracted that out of being bad at hiding my insecurity.

EDIT: lol, I only read the first page of this thread. Looks like a lot of people have posted this already. Well, here's me adding to the tally

It's quite noticeable that most of the idolized/glamorized blacks in the West will be quite pale/golden for women and - albeit less prevalently - dark for men. Sadly standards of beauty and bias are pervasive and won't be going anywhere soon.

That being said, aren't light-skinned African-Americans also mixed? I mean, not directly, but generally it means that somewhere down the line you may have different ancestry in the blend, no?
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but seriously, this white guy I used to hang out with... I told him I got sunburn and my face was all red, and he was like, "I didn't know dark-skinned people could get red"...
and I was like, "ok.... stop being racist, of course darkskinned people could get red from sunburns..."


how is that being racist he simply didn't know, people believe this because sunburn doesn't show on dark skin.
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Like the title says, have you ever experienced racism from your own race? From your "own people"?

I know I have. I'm American, race Asian - ethnicity Filipino. I have experienced racism quite a few times from my fellow Asians, and many a time I believe it is due to the color of my skin (a bit darker than caramel).


Racists group people according to visible traits, and dream up a set of other characteristics which they assume to go along with the visual marker. All of this is rather arbitrary, so it shouldn't be any surprise that racism exists within a racial grouping set up by other people. In your example, "Asian" as a race is a European/European colonist concept, while for example China and Japan had their own versions of racism with lines drawn differently.

I live in Europe, where in addition to parallels in larger immigrant communities, a good analogy of your experience of "intra-race" racism is among Roma people. Roma are viewed as homogeneous by non-Roma racists, but there are actually several groups, and people in some groups can view members of certain other, usually darker-skinned groups in exactly the same way as outside racists view both of them.

In addition, there is widespread racism between various people in Europe + the Mediterranean who would all count as "Caucasian" in the USA. Race is not as clear-cut as it was in the young USA, where there was a strong contrast between very light-skinned immigrants from Protestant north-west Europe and very dark-skinned slaves from West Africa: if you move from north Europe to the south or from the northwest to the southeast, you'll see progressively darker skins, but you can't draw a clear line. So in all locations, you have racism against anyone with a darker shade of skin colour than the local average, and also racism using markers other than skin colour. (Actually, there was some of that in the USA, too: back in the mid-19th century, Catholic Irish immigrants didn't fare any better than Latinos now, and the core marker was religion.)

And now I get to my own experience. I lived in Germany for some time when my father worked there. I have very light skin (lighter than even the average where I lived), but my facial features stood out, as did my clothes initially, and I spoke very little German at first. This was enough for local racists to identify me as a "Turk", and Turks are the "blacks" of Germany (and this was true before 911 and the Islamophobia wave already). I learnt two things for life: (1) for racists, you are what they imagine you are, (2) even if racists are a small minority (maybe 5% where and when I was i Germany), they have a pretty big impact on their victims who are bound to meet at least one every day but won't know in advance who it will be.
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I'm half white, half Korean, and the worse I've been called is "ching chong" by some white kids.
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Sogno- wrote:

how is that being racist he simply didn't know, people believe this because sunburn doesn't show on dark skin.


well it does turn red.

and this is like me saying, "I didn't know white people could tan, I thought they all turn into cooked lobsters under the Sun"... see how racist that sounds?
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well it does turn red.

and this is like me saying, "I didn't know white people could tan, I thought they all turn into cooked lobsters under the Sun"... see how racist that sounds?


We do.

Well, the really pale ones. Some of us who are mutts, therefore having some darker skinned ancestors as well, don't really burn as much. So I don't really burn, I tan. But I know a lot of pale people who turn into cooked lobsters. Heck, I'll even tell them that 'cause it makes 'em look bad.
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Both of my parents are African-American yet my mother is dark-skinned while my father is light-skinned. I have my father's skin complex.
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Both of my parents are African-American yet my mother is dark-skinned while my father is light-skinned. I have my father's skin complex.

Sure thing. I mean officially you're not mixed, but I'm just presuming that on your dad's side you have some white or other ancestry for that to be the case?

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Probably. I don't know anything about my ancestral history. I would like to though.
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Probably. I don't know anything about my ancestral history. I would like to though.

Yeah same here. Apparently I have some Indian blood in me, which is pretty neat.
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Cool.
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You know, if that Levi wasn't your avatar, I probably wouldn't have read that sarcastically...
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