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Well, this is kinda hard to describe and it would be a long discussion. If you guys have a little brother or sister or even a pet, you can make your own assumptions and theories if babies are born inherently evil or not.

Anyway, I'll just post a manga panel to make you think:




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Sogno- wrote:

huh i thought this was a thread about babies that made it into the news for being evil



Hahaha sorry lol, I said that because my first question asks are people born inherently evil.
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LOL at the end, smart kid
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I believe all humans are inherently evil, we've been socially conditioned to be "good".



This. Our brain uses primal-developed parts before newer-developed parts.
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Bahaha this is messed up lmfaoooo
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i dont think people are born evil but are constructed to be evil in the environment they grow up in. i also do believe evil must fight evil. You know like there is a necessary evil in this world. Cuz that shonen bullshit dont work in the real world. This topic isnt a easy one. Evil really is based on one's definition. What one might think is justice can be a crime to another. Like i believe murder can be justified. If it can benefit the community as a whole like some one killing a rapist who keeps on getting away with his crime. But then again the whole ideal of evil being justified is taboo. But like i say i believe in a necessary evil that keeps real evil in check. I can go on forever, but i think it all really depends on the persons definition of what evil really is.
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KamisamanoOtaku wrote:

2) The rest of your statement indicates your opening premise is flawed; the fact that without outside influence restraining us, acting on our desires would make the world even worse than it is now, suggests that we are indeed inherently evil.


I don't think it'd mean that necessarily. I really don't think all people are inherently evil, but what I said suggests that...well, the truth is, it is hard for many to be good. It takes effort to be an all around good person. We are all inclined to shortcomings and wrongdoings, and it takes real effort to be good, especially at times when we want to be negative towards those who wrong us, or when we are simply bothered, or those we simply don't like or favor. Since early on in human history, humans have come up with different ways to curb us acting out on base urges (physical confrontation and killing over anger, stealing something from someone simply because you want it, sexually assaulting someone you are attracted to; for examples), whether it be through social norms, cultural norms, moral rationalism, religious teachings, and so forth.

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I believe in total depravity, so yes, I believe human beings are inherently evil; however, I do believe there are some restrictions with regard to age and conscience.
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Dubnoman wrote:


KamisamanoOtaku wrote:

2) The rest of your statement indicates your opening premise is flawed; the fact that without outside influence restraining us, acting on our desires would make the world even worse than it is now, suggests that we are indeed inherently evil.


I don't think it'd mean that necessarily. I really don't think all people are inherently evil, but what I said suggests that...well, the truth is, it is hard for many to be good. It takes effort to be an all around good person. We are all inclined to shortcomings and wrongdoings, and it takes real effort to be good, especially at times when we want to be negative towards those who wrong us, or when we are simply bothered, or those we simply don't like or favor. Since early on in human history, humans have come up with different ways to curb us acting out on base urges (physical confrontation and killing over anger, stealing something from someone simply because you want it, sexually assaulting someone you are attracted to; for examples), whether it be through social norms, cultural norms, moral rationalism, religious teachings, and so forth.



Is it just the term "evil" that bothers you?

If it helps, the truest "good" is "perfection". That sounds very extreme, so let me walk you though the logic behind it.

If you ever end the life of another human without justification, you would be considered a murderer, yes? Do it just once... even attempt to do it just once, and you're very likely branded for life. If you show no repentance over it, you are almost certainly labeled for life for that one instance.

On the other hand, somehow another wrong act, lying, is far more acceptable to society and to many individuals. If you lie only once, you probably won't be seen as a liar; it requires habitual lying or a lie of a certain "level" for the label of "liar" to stick, at least by human standards. The same would go for theft; steal a cookie (even as an adult) and its "just a cookie".

Some would try to argue that we should consider the harm being done, but this causes a problem; we aren't God. Even if you are an atheist, the term is useful here for quantifying a series of qualities; to evaluate an action's level of "evil" based upon how "harmful" it is, one needs to be both omniscient and perfect, lest through ignorance, a mistake, or your own moral failing you misjudge a deed. When it comes to punishments leveled by humans, discretion can (and should) be shown based on the severity of the offense, as best as we can determine... but that isn't what we are discussing; right now we are still in the realm of higher principles. There is also the question of intent... that is probably best saved for further discussion if anyone is interested. Short version is that while intent matters, it appears that evil is evil, and that both thought and deed weigh in.

So... even a little "moral flaw" is still evil. It is not pleasant to acknowledge, but the standard for good seems to most logically be perfection; lowering it just because we don't measure up seems dishonest. At least that is my understanding.
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I just don't see it. A 'little moral flaw' such as stealing a magazine just simply isn't evil. And the standard for a good person (you are saying?) is to be perfect, and we just shouldn't lower it because we don't measure up? I think most people know no person can be perfect. It just can't happen. Doesn't mean there still aren't good people in the world. While everyone is imperfect, there have been many good people in the history of the world. You seem to be pushing towards both extremes, and I just don't agree with your logic.
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Dubnoman wrote:

I read that just recently, a baby (under 1 year old) was accused of attempted murder in Pakistan. So apparently...babies can be evil!

So, that story...basically, it comes down to this: In Pakistan, with feuding families/groups of people, it isn't uncommon, when legal issues arise, for people to start accusing whoever they can in a feud or conflict. It could be family members, friends, roommates, coworkers, you name it. So when two groups of people were feuding in courts, and people started accusing people of their woes (even if some/all of them were innocent of any wrongdoing), someone accused an infant of attempted murder. Absurd. Everyone knows it is absurd. But this still had to be taken at least somewhat seriously due to flaws and loopholes in Pakistani law. And something else that is absurd, the infant had to show up in court, even though people knew he wasn't guilty (or capable) of any crime. smh man, people...so many stupid people in this world.


I think I know the story youre referring to. The child was actually thrown at whomever. Not sure who he was thrown at or who had tossed him. I just remember the child being used as a projectile weapon. lol
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Baby as a projectile weapon. lol What is wrong with the world?!
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Dubnoman wrote:
Baby as a projectile weapon. lol What is wrong with the world?!

New meaning to the term "Baby Bullet".
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Posted 4/11/14
Definitely an effect of environmental conditions.
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