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It can be argued that what Slaine did in episode 7 wasn't stupid or irrational. I think it was quite the opposite considering the circumstances that Inaho and Slaine experienced at that point. From Inaho's point of view, they were just attacked by another knight despite the armistice that the Emperor guaranteed. It was also known that the knights were competing with each other over the Earth, so a martian killing another martian wasn't out of character, hence, the Inaho's reasoning "the enemy of my enemy is not my friend." From Slaine's point of view, he knew that none of the Orbital Knights can be trusted, but he finds that the Earth forces are not to be trusted either. Although WE know that Inaho and co. are on the up and up, they are the exceptions. Under a less benevolent commander than Magbaredge, Slaine would have been interrogated and very likely even tortured for info on the martians. Disarming himself and explaining that he's a friend to Asseylum might have been a good move,but it could backfire pretty badly very easily. Both Slaine and Inaho were trying to find reasons to distrust each other, and they ended up pointing guns at each other and it becomes a who shot first argument after. Saving Sauzbaam was one of Slaine's few lapses in judgement, but one also has to remember that Sauzbaam, at least to Slaine, saved his life. No other martian besides the princess had ever done this, and that meant alot to Slaine, despite Sauzbaam being the one behind Assylum's assassination attempt.

As for the second season, Slaine did kill people out in the battlefield, but it was war, and he had already chosen his side. He continued the war, but it was mainly because the Orbital Knights wanted war, or at least the opportunists. I believe that Slaine tried to bring the Princess's ideals to fruition, but using very questionable methods. Now, that is not to say I think he should get off scot-free, but that I want him to get the chance to reflect on his actions, repent, and move on. We've all certainly lost our way, some more than others, but I believe that Slaine can redeem himself for his transgressions. Perhaps it's because I try to see the good in people, and what circumstances led them to where they are, but that's just me.


No, what Slaine did in episode 7 is stupid. What you need to understand here is that the Inaho and co. has Asseylum in their side while Slaine has nothing. Slaine was supposed to be the one who should show willingness to compromise in this situation and he should have because it's the correct decision. He could have come up with some lie if he doesn't trust Inaho... anything at all so he could get closer to Asseylum that would have been better than trying to confront Inaho. I mean it's this simple... if you honestly think that what Slaine did in episode 7 wasn't stupid then please tell me... what is Slaine's grand master plan to get Asseylum if he was actually successful in shooting Inaho? He shoots down Inaho and then?

And he chose to side with the people who started the war. Worse he actively perpetuated the war. Even when Asseylum regained consciousness and confronted him he detained her. As I've said before in AS he could have made steps to stop the war especially when he inherited Saazbaum's title yet he continued the war. Slaine is a war criminal.
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Like I said, both Inaho and Slaine were wary of each other, and due to that mistrust, there was a huge miscommunication between the two. Slaine was acting hostile, but Inaho wasn't helping the situation either. Just a failed form of communication. As for siding with the people who started the war, from his perspective, siding with either the Earth forces or Sauzbaam was a gamble either way. The princess was shot, so what was done was done. There was no use crying over spilled milk. He had to do something to save Asseylum, but he had no idea what the UFE's motives or objectives are with the princess. We know, because we are the audience, but Slaine doesn't, so he chose to to go with the enemy he knew over the enemy he didn't . He was able to coerce Sauzbaam into helping the princess, while Sauzbaam gained an asset in Slaine. After killing Sauzbaam and taking his title, the war was already in full swing by then, it couldn't be stopped; not with the princess in a coma and the only one that could have helped Slaine was Lemrina, and I don't think she was going to do the royal family any favors. In Slaine's eyes, the fastest way to end the war was to win it; and I can see the logic behind it. Cold logic, admittedly. However, I do see why some people would hate Slaine, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Like I said, both Inaho and Slaine were wary of each other, and due to that mistrust, there was a huge miscommunication between the two. Slaine was acting hostile, but Inaho wasn't helping the situation either. Just a failed form of communication. As for siding with the people who started the war, from his perspective, siding with either the Earth forces or Sauzbaam was a gamble either way. The princess was shot, so what was done was done. There was no use crying over spilled milk. He had to do something to save Asseylum, but he had no idea what the UFE's motives or objectives are with the princess. We know, because we are the audience, but Slaine doesn't, so he chose to to go with the enemy he knew over the enemy he didn't . He was able to coerce Sauzbaam into helping the princess, while Sauzbaam gained an asset in Slaine. After killing Sauzbaam and taking his title, the war was already in full swing by then, it couldn't be stopped; not with the princess in a coma and the only one that could have helped Slaine was Lemrina, and I don't think she was going to do the royal family any favors. In Slaine's eyes, the fastest way to end the war was to win it; and I can see the logic behind it. Cold logic, admittedly. However, I do see why some people would hate Slaine, so we'll have to agree to disagree.


Doesn't change the fact that episode 7 fallout was caused primarily by his stupid decision which is again one of the reasons for the huge hate for Slaine. Sure he took the gamble of siding with Saazbaum I'll give you that but saying that he couldn't stop the war when he inherited Saazbaum's title is BS. He had Lemrina and Asseylum in his custody he could have stopped the war. You can argue that the emperor may still not trust him despite him having all the evidence that he need but he didn't even try. Yes, he didn't try and instead took the leadership in perpetuating the war. And when Asseylum finally woke up from coma and recovered her memories he detained Asseylum despite her pleas to stop the war. Fact of the matter is... Slaine had the chance to stop the war but he didn't even try. Why? Because he wasn't interested in stopping the war himself. In fact when Asseylum escaped with Cruhteo, Slaine tried to convince Asseylum to come back and resolve things which was an obvious lie. Really S2 pretty much painted Slaine as a scumbag.

Stupid decisions on episode 7 and being a scumbag on S2 aside. I'm still pretty sure the biggest contributor to the Slaine hate is still the S1 finale screw up that he did.
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You also have to consider what was already done; Sauzbaam used Lemrina to impersonate Asseylum, and had her proclaim that she wanted the war with the earth. Slaine had just inherited Sauzbaam's title, but there were still plenty of Counts that wanted war, and they were jumping at the chance to do so. They are greedy and fickle, and Slaine knows that more than anyone. It would be very suspicious and perhaps even outright political suicide to try and convince them to stop the war at that point. Although Slaine is a Count himself, the other Counts like Baroucruz and Marylician look down upon him simply on the basis for being Terran-born. So he first had to prove himself on the field of battle, and that meant doing what other Counts have failed in doing: Destroying Trident Base. There was also a need to change the way the martians were fighting in order to bring the war to a swift end, and Slaine realizes that. If he tried to form some sort of treaty or peace at that particular moment, he COULD potentially gain allies in the loyalist faction, but there's also a strong possibility that he would lose his only allies: the martians stationed on the Lunar Base. Regardless of which route he chose, it's not going to end without bloodshed. That's the way I see it.
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You also have to consider what was already done; Sauzbaam used Lemrina to impersonate Asseylum, and had her proclaim that she wanted the war with the earth. Slaine had just inherited Sauzbaam's title, but there were still plenty of Counts that wanted war, and they were jumping at the chance to do so. They are greedy and fickle, and Slaine knows that more than anyone. It would be very suspicious and perhaps even outright political suicide to try and convince them to stop the war at that point. Although Slaine is a Count himself, the other Counts like Baroucruz and Marylician look down upon him simply on the basis for being Terran-born. So he first had to prove himself on the field of battle, and that meant doing what other Counts have failed in doing: Destroying Trident Base. There was also a need to change the way the martians were fighting in order to bring the war to a swift end, and Slaine realizes that. If he tried to form some sort of treaty or peace at that particular moment, he COULD potentially gain allies in the loyalist faction, but there's also a strong possibility that he would lose his only allies: the martians stationed on the Lunar Base. Regardless of which route he chose, it's not going to end without bloodshed. That's the way I see it.


He didn't need to convince the counts. He only needed to talk again with the emperor and he could have done that without the other counts knowing since he already has his own castle. Again, he could have tried this but he didn't!
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At that point Slaine had already decided to go through with his plan. In his point of view, there is no turning back from the path he has taken. From what we have seen of Rayregalia, it wasn't exactly hidden knowledge that his health was failing. He was already in decline when he ascended the throne and when he took over after his son died. When we see him after the 19 month time skip, he was in worse shape than before, and when Asseylum finally spoke with him again not long after, he had lost his mind. We don't know when this happened, it could have happened after his last conversation with Sauzbaam, or it would have been around the time Slaine decided to marry Lemrina or even just before Asseylum spoke with him. Slaine should have tried, but it's very likely that Rayregalia couldn't have helped Slaine even if he were to seek the emperor's help. There were also cases of knights that attacked even while Rayregalia proclaimed a ceasefire.(Femianne and Vlad) So in the end, it might not have changed anything at all. But like I said, I don't think Slaine didn't do anything wrong, but I don't think he should be tormented or hurt for it. Do I think he has to atone for his sins and pay his debt to society? Of course! The fact that he was able to smile genuinely at the end gives me hope that his future can still be bright. Whether or not he chooses to move forward will be up to him, but if anyone deserves redemption, it's Slaine. I think Inaho believes Slaine can pick himself up, and so do I. I'd like to think that Inaho is someone who sees a bit of himself in Slaine, and I think he can become Slaine's first real friend. Someone that he can see eye to eye on the same level. Inaho couldn't do everything by himself, he had his friends help him along the way, and I think this is his way of saving Slaine. Overall, the series did suffer from time to time due to some events being rushed, but I enjoyed it.
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Aside from his irrational behaviour, perpetrating war, conspiring to overtake vers and marry Asseylum without her consent ETC I think what perturbed me a lot about Slaine is how nonchalant he was about besmirching Asseylum's name. He doesn't falter at all when Lemrina makes a speech calling for genocide, and I could deal with that because it could easily be an act/something he doesn't really approve of at all. But even by himself it's like his conscience doesn't realize how wrong it is. He doesn't think "this is wrong, I don't want to do this to Asseylum." Anything at all to show early on he has some regret or regard for her as a person beyond that chick he wants to to love him back.
It's not like he doesn't have a conscience, but it doesn't seem to work for the most glaringly obvious things. It's like only once she wakes he realizes "ah crap, I'm pretty awful huh. Better hide in my office." He even tells Klancain without missing a beat that his earthspace kingdom idea is "what Asseylum wants" when she just rejected him and his ambiguous, naive plan.
The fact that he got it all blamed on him is like karmic justice to me. He's honestly a creep who needs a long time to reflect on how messed up he's become.

Pretty sad because it was what he called out Cruheo for in S1 but he went above and beyond him, turning Asseylum and Lemrina into puppets. I guess the latter was willing, but what did Lemrina even think about the war situation? We have no clue what her opinions were and never will. She was quite underutilized, like simply a plot device to help Slaine get new possessions(castle, power, love etc). Second season was confusing and full of wasted potential.


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He didn't need to convince the counts. He only needed to talk again with the emperor and he could have done that without the other counts knowing since he already has his own castle. Again, he could have tried this but he didn't!


I also found this strangely lazy. He has a lot of power then, he has the princesses. He could do the exact same thing Klancain did for Asseylum.

Plus In the end he gave right up quickly as he couldn't go against Asseylum and didn't want his men to die, so what's the point of not conceding when she told him to stop? What was he going to even do, keeping the crown princess hostage or under "house arrest" against her will? Brainwash her into joining him? It's so dumb.
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BlazeQuest3, as a fellow Team Slaine fan, I decided that I had to stop being lazy & complement your ability to see that Slaine is about as far from an inherently evil, beyond all redemption villain. I like Inaho - (except for his, disturbing emotional detachment,) but if he and Slaine had grown up in each other's shoes I think Inaho would have already found a way to rise in Ver's. military & would use the war to secure his place with his abilities & I bet Earth would fall quickly. Do I hate Inaho? No, but he has a dispassionate, practical outlook on almost everything & he's more cunning than those around him realize. He would have ensured that he saved Orbital Knights & Count Saaz. would have snapped him up for his knowledge & strategic ability. Why do I mention this scenerio? Because if Inaho had no relatives, no real ties to Earth after living half his life as a second class citizen on Vers., I can just see him jumping into the war aggressively, not because he hates Terrans, but he would understand that he had to choose & that winning quickly would minimize deaths on both sides. His dispassionate personality saved him 99% of the torment Slaine has gone through & I can see him using both, Asseylum & Lemeria himes to his advantage without them even realizing it. Slaine tried to do the same & we've seen how well that went. I get why Asseylum immediately married Crueto Jr., the family is related to Vers. royal house & needing to stabilize Vers. infighting to stop the war, but I hate her for letting Slaine take all of the blame for the Martian side. It makes sense, but Slaine & I'm guessing Lemeria as well are 'dead & demonized' by Terrans and Martians alike.

Slaine hater's, no one hates Slaine, more than himself & the poor boy's tried at every turn to do what was right. I feel that the Slaine haters, really missed the point of how he was stuck between two cultures at war, both of whom had betrayed him & Asseylum. Rayet is the other char caught on the wrong side, betrayed by her unknown homeland, surrounded by Terrans enraged at the terrorist attack her father planned; it only took a week? until she had a complete melt-down that Inaho stopped. Inaho knew what to say to her, but I feel he dropped the ball with Slaine.

After he recieved the assisstance he needed, Inaho left Slaine unable to run from an enraged Crueto, yet Slaine willing withstood gruesome torture to keep Asseylum as safe as he could. Yet this monster, still was upset & guilt ridden at Crueto's death, Slaine is a good person that's been abused since his father died, he accepted it as the price to be next to Asseylum, but thanks to Inaho's betrayal I think Slaine decides that he must gain power to protect Asseylum himself. He looks to the lower classes, that have always been little better than serfs & the counts that want to win without destroying more of Earth's resources.

Inaho did nothing unreasonable with shooting Slaine's SC down, but I see it as Slaine's wakeup call that while he may be Terran, his homeland sees only a Vers. soldier & he becomes indebted to Count Saaz. & learns how corrupt the Royals are. As for joining the Count after he shot Asseylum...Vers. technology is far superior & he still didn't know if her capture's intentions were to protect or exploit her, by 'killing' orange, Inaho did try to kill him first, Slaine hit the point of no return - Inaho was already a recognized as a great asset/threat & Slaine lost his right to call himself Terran, but if Asseylum had any chance of surviving at all he had to make a devil's bargain w/Count. Saaz. who needed him Slaine's help to survive & finish his revenge. I found it incredibly sad that the two understood & respected w/each other to the point that the Count chose him to be his son and heir. It helped Slaine, but it crushed him too, he wanted revenge, but the Counts decision forced Slaine to admit that he had come to see the Count, the 1st adult Vers. that treated him with affection/respect as a father figure. He had already insured the Count would die, so while it didn't stop Slaine from taking vengeance for Asseylum, I think that Slaine took on his adoptive father's goals, added them to Asseylum's, Lemiria's, & his personal quest for a better life for non-noble Vers., like Harklight. That's too much for anyone, too contradictory to achieve, but he tried, & in the final battle, Slaine told all Vers. forces to stand down to save their lives, while he planned to die alone, that's why Counts to foot soldier's defied Slaine & fought for him. He was so hated by Terran forces that it would have saved many lives to be the last remaining threat, yet his men wouldn't abandon him. I could go on, but for a character to have suffered so much, to be seen as a clear cut villain with no redeeming qualities is too wrong to ignore. Yes he made terrible mistakes, but he didn't have the luxury of trust, status, protection, time...not even the benefit of the doubt, he wasn't even considered worthy of searching for Asseylum.

BlazeQuest3's posts about Slaine's reasoning, motives & how war can totally trample one's best intentions to dust, leading them astray were a sight for sour eyes. I've rarely found a more hated char, which saddens & confuses me. He begins with wanting to protect Asseylum and to a lesser degree later on Lemeria, being committed to bettering the lives of the non-noble classes & finally creating a new Terran/Martian nation. These are not the goals of an inherently evil person. Many people did terrible things, both MCs + everyone else lied, killed & made mistakes that devastated innocent people. Why is Slaine the scapegoat? Reading this thread had reminded me of my love for his character's loyalty, despite the mental & physical torture...the sheer anguish it & his own guilty conscious. I agree that he should pay for his transgressions, but after reflection & I do not doubt repentance for his worst decisions, Slaine deserves a chance to find some personal peace and maybe even happiness. I believe Inaho visits him because he is logical & fair enough to understand that Slaine deserves some forgiveness, but he won't find it ignored & forgotten. .
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