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What is your stance on anime piracy?
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Posted 4/15/14
I haven't done the Fansub or "other" means in years. However this is always going to be an issue until the anime production companies loosen their grip on things.

They seem to be living in a world passing them by. Very similar to the big media companies in the USA. They will exploit the DVD/BluRay market while keeping a closed door on the streaming options as long as they can. Only because it makes them huge amounts of money to sell the physical media in comparison to a streaming type option.

It comes down to nothing more than greed, pure and simple.

I no longer buy media for consumption. I don't care if it is supporting the industry. I refuse to buy highly overpriced media because I know it is being offered as an only option for money only. I would rather provide my support through a consumable option other than buying physical media because that is what works for me. I have no place, nor the money to buy physical media. It just does not make economic sense to me personally.

I have purchased DvDs in years past, but I rarely, if ever, pull them out of my closet and watch them. Why? Because it is very inconvenient when I can just turn on my TV/monitor and fire up the Roku or Apple TV and watch without dealing with fumbling with physical media that was way overpriced in the first place.

I will always support the streaming option as it scales far better than physical media in terms of exposure, availability, and convenience.

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Posted 4/15/14
Okay. To be honest piracy happens due to people wanting to stream shows instead of paying a crapload of dollars for a DVD. Fortunately sites like Hulu and crunchyroll exist now. So now it's less likely I'll pirate. Unless it's a super old series like Gundam. I feel like I would have to pirate to watch it again

But piracy in a black and white scenario is bad

If you add the gray (Mmm Gray-same ) there's a line with shows not getting licensed. There's even videogames in japan that never get out,such as most of the fire emblem and advanced war games. Now, I could whine and sulk about it. But if I really want to see it or play I would have to pirate Dangit.
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In certain countries you don't have any other options to watch series.. Because ya know we can't use hulu/funanimation and shows aren't licensed. And I'm certainly not gonna wait for something that's likely never going to happen unless I would move to another country.
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Posted 4/15/14 , edited 4/15/14

Brantblaze wrote:

In certain countries you don't have any other options to watch series.. Because ya know we can't use hulu/funanimation and shows aren't licensed. And I'm certainly not gonna wait for something that's likely never going to happen unless I would move to another country.


^^^^^THIS x 100

Also, to add: in MANY places outside the US/Canada (and even the UK), legally buying anime is financially and/or culturally restrictive. For various cultural or religious reasons, governments ban shows because of content with anime being no exception. Is that fair to an open-minded person living in a restrictive country who wants to watch anime legally, but can't because of something that's beyond their control?

That person could choose to legally buy the anime from an international distributor like Amazon, but they would have to pay nearly double the purchase price AND risk the anime being confiscated by customs and themselves getting fined (or worse) AND forbidden from seeing what they spent lots of money (that they will never get back) on.

What other options does that person have if they can't watch anime legally on TV or buy from a specialty seller (who charges specialty prices)?
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Posted 4/15/14 , edited 4/15/14

RX-0Unicorn wrote:


Brantblaze wrote:

In certain countries you don't have any other options to watch series.. Because ya know we can't use hulu/funanimation and shows aren't licensed. And I'm certainly not gonna wait for something that's likely never going to happen unless I would move to another country.


^^^^^THIS x 100

Also, to add: in MANY places outside the US/Canada (and even the UK), legally buying anime is financially and/or culturally restrictive. For various cultural or religious reasons, governments ban shows because of content with anime being no exception. Is that fair to an open-minded person living in a restrictive country who wants to watch anime legally, but can't because of something that's beyond their control?

That person could choose to legally buy the anime from an international distributor like Amazon, but they would have to pay nearly double the purchase price AND risk the anime being confiscated by customs and themselves getting fined (or worse) AND forbidden from seeing what they spent lots of money (that they will never get back) on.

What other options does that person have if they can't watch anime legally on TV or buy from a specialty seller (who charges specialty prices)?


I actually agree with this. Anime is a great passion of mine and I have spent (FAR) too much money on it. I have a huge collection of DVDs and enjoy the choices here at CR. However, it's only because I can, that I do. If the goverment wouldn't let me buy the DVDs then I would be forced to find other ways such as Illegal sites. Whilst it wouldn't be prefable it might be they only way. And so it boils down to the goverment. If they lift the restrictions I think you would find there are many people who would be willing to support the industry but can't through no fault of their own.

I can't say I blame them. However if you DO have the means to support the industry then there is no excuse. Not all anime is super expensive and it feels good to have a collection. So everyone should do their best to find a legal way to fuel their anime passion
Posted 4/15/14
I don't mind/don't care if ppl choose to pirate, torrent etc.

but sometimes the excuses these piracy ppl make for not paying for subscription... just make me want to slap them in the face. like, "oh I don't like streaming anime the legal way because I have to sit through 30seconds of ads..." like wtf... watch the goddamn ads, it helps the company get more anime... jesus Christ. it's not rocket science. not every company on this earth is greedy.



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Posted 4/15/14
I don't care for it, but I understand there is no way to get some things sometimes. OVA and some series are orphaned quite often, and I don't have the money to go out and find and buy everything I want to watch, though if I did, I would stop using fansub sites all together probably. Alas I do not, so for OVA's and those series who are orphaned I will go to the darkside to watch them. Besides those though I use FUNi and CR, so I get most of everything else.
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I'm going to be honest. If there is a peculiar anime title I'm searching for and it's not on CR or Netflix I'll just google it and watch it on any website.
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Posted 4/15/14 , edited 4/15/14
The history of anime fandom in the States pretty much begins with piracy and fanzines. Anime studios / their distributors tried to utilize the fandom for marketing purposes and help create a market for anime in the States, but in the 70s / 80s anime was still too niche, and thus that approach was dropped in favor of licensing their work to third parties, which is things like the problem with Harmony Gold with Macross, as well as the Speed Racer fiasco to name a few blunders, occurred.

Fast-forward to today, and Crunchy, which began by airing non-licensed material, has become one of the major (legit) players in the industry in the States, and has helped get anime to fans globally.

Outside of the moral question, it's just plain interesting to see the role piracy, fanworks, and fan groups have played in how anime has evolved outside the country of origin.
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25 / M / Dirty Jersey
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Posted 4/15/14
CR and funimation streaming shows now keeps a lot of it from happening kind of like netflix did for movies. Buying them straight up is quite expensive and might be a gamble. These steaming sites are reasonable priced and if you dont like something you still have the option of disengaging from it without having to worry about catching a blow to the wallet.
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Posted 4/15/14
I use illegal websites to watch anime shows that Crunchyroll don't have. I've been using illegal websites for as long as I can remember and I still use it. Sometimes I'll use Netflix but they're so limited with anime. I stopped using Funimation to find other places to watch dubs.

If you use illegal sites or legal sites to watch anime, I can care less in the end you're watching an anime series.
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Posted 4/15/14 , edited 4/15/14
First thing to look at for me is availability. If nobody is streaming a show that I want to see, the options are way too limited than to just go to a fan-sub. I try to avoid that as much as possible at this point just because I don't think the quality matches up as much as it used to. Second thing I look for is what happens with the anime physical releases of series I want. I try to own the anime I really like, and just use streams to see what I will like or find are worth buying. I will always prefer the hard copy of something over a digital means. However, I REFUSE to buy a series that sells volumes for more than they should. For instance, I have accepted 12 episode volumes on Blu-ray for $50 or so. I am okay with this. So Funimation (who is almost ALWAYS less due to Amazon) and Sentai Filmworks, and most other companies I usually buy what I want from them with no issues at all. Aaaaaaand then there is Aniplex of America. Who can go screw themselves off the side of the cliff for their little price controlling schemes that are completely insane. I refuse to support that type of unsustainable nonsense they are trying to pull. Especially when I can buy 3-6+ volumes of anime elsewhere (all of which will have a minimum of 12 episodes, unlike with Aniplex usually) for the same price as one whole series of theirs. :/
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Posted 4/15/14 , edited 4/15/14
I buy some anime stuff on DVD, but almost always after I've already watched it online. Usually in the past that's meant illegally, but not always. For instance, I first watched Baccano! on Funimation's website. And lately I've been watching pretty much all of my anime on Crunchyroll.

I will still watch plenty of series illegally if they're not readily available through legal venues online. Or just if I don't feel like paying for it. And I don't think I'll ever watch anime on Hulu because seriously, even if you get a premium membership there's still ads? Fuck that shit.

But yeah, I do consider it important for me to buy anime DVDs that I want when I have the money. I don't see the problem with not watching every single anime legally, that seems a bit ludicrous and the few vocal people in the industry who go that far in their proselytizing frankly just come across as douchey moralizers, but I don't wanna be a leech either. I'd probably buy a lot more if I had the resources, to be honest - I like owning the DVDs. (I don't have a Blu-Ray player.) I probably wouldn't buy any merch though, I'm not into that stuff.
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Posted 4/15/14
if its not available otherwise, i might torrent it.
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Posted 4/15/14
Nmahhh..

To answer this question and it's infinite number of variables would be outrageously impossible without use of the World's best Supercomputer. Though I believe that it's...I mean WE'RE kinda at the same position in OUR World as Donquixote Doflamingo put it during the Battle at Marineford...I mean though it's of a different Topic, those with any piques about them whatsoever can decipher how the quote is a perfect allusion to the Times in which We live Today. And holy wow, I did NOT make this as a pun in any way...I'm losing it.

"Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!"

We're the Pirates. WE'RE evil. OUR World Government(S) are their World Government and Gorosei. They're a drunken knuckle sandwich of idiocy to the face every few seconds. They "RIGHT" the wrongdoers. Human Status, from Alpha hunting Male purely for survival, to all of the "Worshiped Male & Female idols" because of their Bank account, House, security. You cannot put a square Peg through a circular hole...When two sides..."I'm right!"..."He's wrong!"...eventually meet, it's Yin and Yang perfectly illustrated. One HATES what another desires. Our CURRENT place in History; these Times ARE CHANGING! NEUTRAL ground! Either way, though ONE side may not think so, even at the End of ALL things, the Winners WILL not only TAKE, but use AND abuse their spoils in ANY way is deemed fit.

I hope that SOMEWHAT made a little tiny bit of sense.
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