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SAO was a decent anime, I certainly didn't regret watching it. But it just had the most bizarre character and plot development.

But I personally found SAO to be saturated with an almost satirical element. The most obvious one being that it is literally every RPG gamers wet dream. Picture it, you're sucked into your favorite virtual world that has actual life and death consequences and where all those hours and hours of your life you've dumped into your MMO actually mean something. You're a black caped bad ass, who has girls falling for you left and right and you end up marrying the creme de la creme of the female community.

Also the bizarre relationship between Kirito and his sister/cousin that makes me wince every time it comes up. Oh who could forget the classic scene with Asuna and the tentacle monsters.....seriously guys, can't you just take an anime seriously for once?

But what really doesn't make sense is at the end of the first season when Kirito confronts Kayaba's conscience after defeating the game. Kayaba is responsible for the deaths of many of Kirito and Asuna's friends, as well as thousands of others, yet Kayaba "doesn't remember why" he made the game and Kirito and Asuna act as if it's all water under the bridge. I guess being responsible for mass genocide is no big deal.

How did you guys receive SAO and did these things bother you as well?
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SAO was a decent anime, I certainly didn't regret watching it. But it just had the most bizarre character and plot development.

But I personally found SAO to be saturated with an almost satirical element. The most obvious one being that it is literally every RPG gamers wet dream. Picture it, you're sucked into your favorite virtual world that has actual life and death consequences and where all those hours and hours of your life you've dumped into your MMO actually mean something. You're a black caped bad ass, who has girls falling for you left and right and you end up marrying the creme de la creme of the female community.

Also the bizarre relationship between Kirito and his sister/cousin that makes me wince every time it comes up. Oh who could forget the classic scene with Asuna and the tentacle monsters.....seriously guys, can't you just take an anime seriously for once?

But what really doesn't make sense is at the end of the first season when Kirito confronts Kayaba's conscience after defeating the game. Kayaba is responsible for the deaths of many of Kirito and Asuna's friends, as well as thousands of others, yet he Kayaba "doesn't remember why" he made the game and Kirito and Asuna act as if it's all water under the bridge. I guess being responsible for mass genocide is no big deal.

How did you guys receive SAO and did these things bother you as well?


I 100% agree with the ending of the first half. It was so piss poor and could have been better. "Oh, sorry. I don't exactly remember why I did all this to you guys, but here, take this and live on now that you've beaten me". Who on earth wrote that anyway? Not to mention, the character development was a little underwhelming as well. I also didn't like the fact that EVERY girl Kirito came across just fell for him. It's just a cliched, harem fantasy. Why the hell do we need that in an MMO based anime? And the second half...don't even get me started w/ the second half. The anime would have been better off w/o it or at least continued the SAO storyline. Overall, it wasn't a horrible anime, but I wouldn't praise it like it's the best thing in the world like a lot of people are doing.
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no? incest and tentacles don't bother me.

it was the fact that kirito as a character, never develops for me. he just remains the same.


that's all I have to say. I like realism in characterization.



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I was gonna avoid this as another SAO thread, but you bring up one good point that gets missed;

The biggest serial killing in the history of forever gets not only 'eeh whatever' from most of it's targeted victims, it gets a 'oh it's fine' on the technology that made it possible.

There's some SERIOUS suspension of disbelief there to ever think that they'd let ALO out after the the guy used the tech to murder 3-4 THOUSAND people.

(or the second time, what with the completed mind control technology)
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I agree with you guys. And I know we are all pretty sick of talking about SAO but it just pisses me off because they had such a great opportunity to do something remarkable. The animation was so crisp and gorgeous and the premise was bad ass but the writer of the story failed to create a world I can take seriously and it really disengages you from the story. And Nerve/Gear would totally be illegal after all the stuff that went down with it. It would of been better if there was some kind of VR underground after the events of the 1st and 2nd season but know it's cool, third times the charm.
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And I know we are all pretty sick of talking about SAO...


lol, so why did you make a personal thread about it then?

Here's the link to the show discussion thread instead:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-766625/sword-art-online-discussions

My opinions on these things are in there starting here:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-766625/sword-art-online-discussions?pg=102#45008095


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The animation was so crisp and gorgeous and the premise was bad ass but the writer of the story failed to create a world I can take seriously and it really disengages you from the story. And Nerve/Gear would totally be illegal after all the stuff that went down with it. It would of been better if there was some kind of VR underground after the events of the 1st and 2nd season but know it's cool, third times the charm.


Kawahara was a teenager when he came up with the story and thus wrote the story from the mindset of one. It was his first literary work and more of a rough draft than a full fledged story. He uploaded it to the internet as a rough draft and it became popular. Aniplex cashed in on the popularity by making an anime adaptation.

Are there flaws, absolutely, but, again, remember it was not written as a literary masterpiece to begin with. It deals with some compelling ideas and that's why it became popular, despite its flaws; there's even a class being taught about the ideas now. As to the Nerve Gear, it was banned. The AmuSphere, which had to pass rigorous safety standards, replaced it for the ALO arc.
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I fairly enjoyed SAO, but being trope-ridden doesn't make it satire. At all.
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But what really doesn't make sense is at the end of the first season when Kirito confronts Kayaba's conscience after defeating the game. Kayaba is responsible for the deaths of many of Kirito and Asuna's friends, as well as thousands of others, yet Kayaba "doesn't remember why" he made the game and Kirito and Asuna act as if it's all water under the bridge. I guess being responsible for mass genocide is no big deal.


but this wasn't the end of the first season.... that was the middle of it.
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Kawahara came up with the story as a teenager but you would think he would of touched it up as he matured as a writer. And I'm not completely bashing SAO, don't get me wrong. And the AmuSphere was developed by the guy who was brainwashing people, though I guess the people he was brainwashing were original players from SAO who were still wearing Nerve Gear, but you think it would still make it hard for a company to keep a product like that legal. Who knows what little backdoor tricks so crazy doctor cold put in the AmuSphere :P
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Blurr25 wrote:

But what really doesn't make sense is at the end of the first season when Kirito confronts Kayaba's conscience after defeating the game. Kayaba is responsible for the deaths of many of Kirito and Asuna's friends, as well as thousands of others, yet Kayaba "doesn't remember why" he made the game and Kirito and Asuna act as if it's all water under the bridge. I guess being responsible for mass genocide is no big deal.


but this wasn't the end of the first season.... that was the middle of it.


Uh sorry...I mean the first arc.

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Kawahara came up with the story as a teenager but you would think he would of touched it up as he matured as a writer. And I'm not completely bashing SAO, don't get me wrong. And the AmuSphere was developed by the guy who was brainwashing people, though I guess the people he was brainwashing were original players from SAO who were still wearing Nerve Gear, but you think it would still make it hard for a company to keep a product like that legal. Who knows what little backdoor tricks so crazy doctor cold put in the AmuSphere :P


Kawahara is actually in the process of reworking the story now. It's called Sword Art Online Progressive. Aniplex did not want to wait for that to finish coming out when they could already cash in on the popularity with the existing work as is. It was a business decision to strike while the iron is hot. You can read up on the history of the light novel franchise here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_Art_Online#Light_novels

I did not think you were bashing SAO, I was just wondering why you made this thread when the show thread already exists?

As to the AmuShpere, no one knew of Sugou's sinister plot besides Kirito after the fact. It takes time for technology to be outright banned on the whole; if it's even possible. Plus I'm certain the tech company would have paid off the public officials to keep things legal, so long as they showed the new model was "safe;" which is very realistic and happens all the time. The thing I find hard to believe is the public trust for someone to go and buy the new headgear and game after what happened with SAO. Now that is a flaw in the writing in my view.
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Wet dream?

You FOOL! .Hack/sign was my mmo wet dream! SAO was the Guildwars to my Runescape!

My experience with SAO? I had the same opinion of hack clone from day one and started watching it as thus season ended.


Hmmmmm.... it held a problem similar to Guilty Crown. Too much was stereotypes and copies. The villians were silly in the end despite a great premise while our hero couple lacked proper build up. The younger sister I really liked. They had her develop something with Kirito..even with that infest angle which I'm highly against.

Overall...they could've used more adapting and less lifting. Perhaps have a rewrite end where they're still in SAO till they reach that teases golden palace?

SAO ended like someone who kills the End early in metal gear solid 3. Sure the boss is dead without hassle.....BUT HE IS ONE OF THE GREATEST BOSSES EVER!!!!! A LITIRAL SNIPER AND CAMO DUEL IN A MASSIVE JUNGLE.....WHODOESNT WANT THAT?
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Blurr25 wrote:
Kawahara came up with the story as a teenager but you would think he would of touched it up as he matured as a writer. And I'm not completely bashing SAO, don't get me wrong. And the AmuSphere was developed by the guy who was brainwashing people, though I guess the people he was brainwashing were original players from SAO who were still wearing Nerve Gear, but you think it would still make it hard for a company to keep a product like that legal. Who knows what little backdoor tricks so crazy doctor cold put in the AmuSphere :P


Kawahara is actually in the process of reworking the story now. It's called Sword Art Online Progressive. Aniplex did not want to wait for that to finish coming out when they could already cash in on the popularity with the existing work as is. It was a business decision to strike while the iron is hot. You can read up on the history of the light novel franchise here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_Art_Online#Light_novels

I did not think you were bashing SAO, I was just wondering why you made this thread when the show thread already exists?

As to the AmuShpere, no one knew of Sugou's sinister plot besides Kirito after the fact. It takes time for technology to be outright banned on the whole; if it's even possible. Plus I'm certain the tech company would have paid off the public officials to keep things legal, so long as they showed the new model was "safe;" which is very realistic and happens all the time. The thing I find hard to believe is the public trust for someone to go and buy the new headgear and game after what happened with SAO. Now that is a flaw in the writing in my view.


First off, that's interesting that he's reworking the story (into a manga too, I would never read a light novel). I wonder if it will ever get an adoption one day. Kind like Fullmetal Alchemist to Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood? I'm definitely going to check out the manga. I hope he fixes up the Fairy Dance Arc.

And I would argue that last point by saying: Why do people still ride planes after 9/11? Why people do smoke cigarettes even though they know they can get lung cancer? We do people drive cars when there's such a high chance of dying? I think it falls into that category.

People do things even though they know the risk. Whether it's for entertainment or for transportation, people will continue to find a way to do it because simply they just want to do it.

And just in general, ya, I know Sword Art Online had flaws but to me, the over all impact of the anime and the things it did right is what makes it so great to me. It showed what life was like inside a video game, had interesting characters that weren't weak and worthless, had an awesome world, and actually showed a developing relationship between the two main characters that went way further than just the first kiss. I thought SAO did a lot of things that many animes are afraid of doing and that's why I hold it so highly.

To me it's one of the most ambitious animes to come out in a while. I've never seen an anime that's had quite impact like SAO. So everyone can call it crap, overrated, satirical, or whatever, but I'm sticking by it for the many things it did right and not the things it did wrong. I believe that the things it did right out weigh the things it did bad any day of the week.

Sword Art Online will forever be a masterpiece in my book and no one is going to change my opinion on that. Ever.
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made in MS Paint in like 2 minutes. I couldn't be bothered to put more effort into it.


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To me it's one of the most ambiguous animes to come out in a while. I've never seen an anime that's had quite impact like SAO. So everyone can call it crap, overrated, satirical, or whatever, but I'm sticking by it for the many things it did right and not the things it did wrong. I believe that the things it did right out weigh the things it did bad any day of the week.

Sword Art Online will forever be a masterpiece in my book and no one is going to change my opinion on that. Ever.


The word you are looking for is ambitious. It is definitely not ambiguous, by any meaning of the word.
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A masterpiece? That's quite a title to give an anime, are you sure? I haven't watched it myself, but people have made points on both sides that makes me question this.



You used that in our Harem discussion lol, now Im wary of trying out SAO if it has the same image come to your mind.

(Not that its a harem, but what you linked that image to, the conquest and so forth.)
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