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The Funny Thing About Sword Art Online Is...
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(Not that its a harem, but what you linked that image to, the conquest and so forth.)


Yeah I used that image before lol. I like that image, it's Conan the Barbarian. It is a harem. One you may be happier with though. The main character chooses one and only one woman. However, there are about 4 others that are after him anyway.

Actually I made an SAO AMV to the Tenacious D song Wonderboy : I think the song and my video sum up SAO pretty neatly: There are spoilers though as I used pretty much the whole series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrrYmkEi8ok
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The one thing about this show that stands out is how polarizing this show is. There are those who say it is great, and then there are those that say that it's terrible. The first half is the justification for the former, while the second half is a valid reason for the latter. As for my personal opinion about the show, the overall story in the first half is just great, but the execution wasn't the best. Then things go downhill in the second half with a pathetic villain ruining things. What bothered me about this show is that lots of stuff that would make good drama material is revealed right off the bat, something that Log Horizon does not do and a reason why I prefer Log Horizon's approach to the story batter than SAO's. That said, it's quite a nice story that is built up, but it loses steam after the midway point.
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The word you are looking for is ambitious. It is definitely not ambiguous, by any meaning of the word.


Oops, thanks for catching that.

And I would say it is.

Sure it isn't the first "trapped in a video game" anime, but it definitely brings in the most psychological and sociological issues of any video game anime I've seen. It brings real world problems into the video game world and creates a very interesting setting.

I'm going to pick on Log Horizon here since that's SAO's biggest rival: In Log Horizon, people aren't even concerned that they're stuck in another world. Everyone has just accepted their fate in like one day. Like what the fuck?

In SAO, it took years for people to get used to being in the game.

On top of that, the people of SAO were all fighting for something: their freedom. Which made the drive of the anime very compelling, whereas Log Horizon, their wasn't really a goal at all. Their was no goal except for trying to establish a system/government in their world, which wasn't even that big of a issue. To me it seemed like they barely did anything and didn't figured out much about the world during the whole 25 episodes of Log Horizon.

Another thing: going back to real world problems/situations in SAO. Human nature is followed into the SAO's world whereas and it feels more real, where in Log Horizon it just felt like everyone was still just in the mindset that they were playing a video game and not trying to survive in another world.

Also we got to see what motivated the characters in SAO and get some background from them. In Log Horizon, we didn't know what motivated the characters at all.

Also I can't think of one relationship in Log Horizon, .hack, or most Shounen animes that was as intriguing as the relationship between Kirito and Asuna. Not one. It was very powerful relationship that blows many Shounen romances out of the water. It actually shows the relationship progress and go somewhere, unlike in most Shounens. None of the typical bullshit where everyone holds in their feelings till the last second.

Even in SAO's second half, I found it still very enjoyable even though it went down a more traditional path. It still had an interesting premise, action was still good, and the drive was there. Can't say the same for Log Horizon.

Sword Art Online did a lot of things that most Shounen anime never do. And that is why I call it ambitious.
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xxJing wrote:

The word you are looking for is ambitious. It is definitely not ambiguous, by any meaning of the word.


Oops, thanks for catching that.

And I would say it is.

Sure it isn't the first "trapped in a video game" anime, but it definitely brings in the most psychological and sociological issues of any video game anime I've seen. It brings real world problems into the video game world and creates a very interesting setting.

I'm going to pick on Log Horizon here since that's SAO's biggest rival: In Log Horizon, people aren't even concerned that they're stuck in another world. Everyone has just accepted their fate in like one day. Like what the fuck?

In SAO, it took years for people to get used to being in the game.


I think the difference of why people in LH would just accepted it compared to SAO was they couldn't die. With no death hanging over their heads they probably figured hey why not adapt to this reality now and see where it'll go. LH was just a expansion update so the people knew the world/setting up to that patch rollout. Compare it to SAO where you'd get the thought in your head okay this is a new game at launch and if I venture out of town I may die? WTH am I going to do now?
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I believe that the things it did right out weigh the things it did bad any day of the week.

Sword Art Online will forever be a masterpiece in my book and no one is going to change my opinion on that. Ever.


Hahaha Loomy, thank god for your last line "masterpiece in my book ", SAO was beyond fantastic but I never dare to call it a masterpiece, but if it is masterpiece in your book/eyes nothing wrong with that and I will even give you a high-five for that :D, but in general now that would be an issue :P.

The only main reason why I can never hold it to that level, with everything that it did completely fantastic which basically trumps most of the "Whaa?" moments or pitfalls, the one thing it did not do justice to was the side characters.
Every character in their root was a a glorification of Kirito, Every girl he came in contact with simply fell in love with him head over heels, and all he had at the time was power, he wasn't suave or a lady charmer, he was just really strong or just RIGHT there, so Am i to call most of those girls slightly gold diggers in terms of MMO logic? possible...Kirito was already freaking awesome, Asuna was more than enough since their connection was a bit more logical in falling in love to a degree, we dont need the more love in this, it is already borderline perfect. BUT now that we have girls falling in love with him, they are now further reduced to being figures of Kirito's undying faithfulness as a Lover beacuse he wont stray from that Asusna P., LOL Can he get anymore perfect? now not only is he appealing to the guys but every girl as to swoon over him, that is just too much while making the side girls as charms to Kirito's conquered pussy bracelet. Asuna also suffers a bit from this, she was OP, not just girl OP but OP in general for that world but then the second arc just reduced her to another damsel which kinda hurt me a bit making it another Mario trope, I wanted to see ASS KICKING couple style.

Now for the side guys, I dnt even know where to start with this since they are all over the place, Mainboss just shows Kiriot is so baddass he trumps all coding within a game ( no hacks) logic within the game using heart...HEART, emotion, in a highly sophisticated CODING sequence...., and that makes him trust Kirito with his game creation code beacuse why not, its freaking mother fucking Kirito the Coding-Girl -Vag slayer xD, not a bad thing but thats just wayyy too much haha. Then we have Creep Fiance who was just evil for the sake of evil, his motives were so white washed I cant even get why he was made to be a creepy fiance other than to say no one is for Asuna but Kirito. We could have just ditched the fiance part or marrying Asuna and made it a guy trying to still keep some minds for experimentation purposes whichhhhhhh would have given the possibility of Kirito and Asuna to make a combo duo to stop this mad man, but beacuse that happened I am questioning if Kirito would have even tried to stop the guy if Asuna wasn't in the situation, we cant forget the guy still had quite a couple minds stuck in this Elves world aside from asuna :P....As to his guy friends, does anyone really recollect anything cool they did? lol

So I guess My only real gripe with SAO which stops it from being a master piece is that Kirito never has a equal and is simply a GOD who beats the game(GOD) masters of games, he is the king of kings, god of gods, badass of badasses and so forth....and why is that possible? beacuse he a genius gamer? nah he was just a regular kid who loved games a bit much and got some beta starts ( more log time), and why aren't there more people in the world to be his match? lot of beta testers would be out their who could even be more superior to his gaming skills. He is a regular kid defying all logic, just beacuse, I need more than "just because" to give it masterpiece title haha

But dnt hate me xD
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Season 1 was good, it wasn't .hack//SIGN but it was still quite good in its own right. Season 2 was boring, just the writers trying to cram everything the fans might have wanted in there in place of an actual story. Everything else connected to SOA is just lame fan service.

Long story short; I'd recommend the first season of SOA to anyone, and tell them to stay away from the rest.
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overall it was good... just. the problem with it is that sometimes they were at a loss as to what to do for each episode. one episode its go hear with this girl the next is thankfully action, and the next is a overdose of romance. especially getting to and around episode 10 it was pretty much a love affair. we went from trying desperately to get out of the game world and fighting badass monsters to hey lets just buy a house and stay there and not care what happens anymore while our real bodies are slowly dying. however I still like the characters some pretty good character development and fairly decent ending in my opinion. however part 2 of season 1(alfheim) really and I mean really brought it down. the incest thing was not needed in any way shape or form and sadly felt shoe horned in to say hey look at use we cool because we are controversial.

overall the second part of season 1 was just abysmal compared to the first part(SAO). but that said overall it did more right then it did wrong. I would recommend it. but only if there okay with putting up with an average second part and inconsistent episodes that stray from romance all the way to just being harem silliness.
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So I guess My only real gripe with SAO which stops it from being a master piece is that Kirito never has a equal and is simply a GOD who beats the game(GOD) masters of games, he is the king of kings, god of gods, badass of badasses and so forth....and why is that possible? beacuse he a genius gamer? nah he was just a regular kid who loved games a bit much and got some beta starts ( more log time), and why aren't there more people in the world to be his match? lot of beta testers would be out their who could even be more superior to his gaming skills. He is a regular kid defying all logic, just beacuse, I need more than "just because" to give it masterpiece title haha

But dnt hate me xD


Haha, in all fairness the equation is there for him to be an OP badass. He had the beta experience, and started soloing right off the bat. Other people joining guilds and whatnot because they were afraid to die would have had to share XP and items from the get-go. I'm sort of glad they didn't show him solo-grinding in the woods to boost his level, lol.

I enjoyed SAO quite a bit, simply because I felt it was well rounded. For me it was an anime jack of all trades, but king of nothing. Despite the hangups with the second season and questionable villains, at the end of the day, I was invested in Kirito and Asuna, so I was able to enjoy the show. If you weren't convinced about those two, the show would totally fall apart, lol.

On a final note I don't seem to be as disappointed in the second season as most. I really wish they had spent less time in that fairy game though, lol. To me the whole point of the second season was to explore what it would be like to be to have had such immense power one moment, and absolutely none the next. Becoming just another kid in the world after being a hero and a savior to so many would be pretty devastating, especially when the person you fought so much for as a hero was one of the only people you didn't save. If the second season spent more time focusing on that aspect in the real world, I think it would have been a lot more successful. I sort of inferred that premise when I watched the second season, and enjoyed it enough accordingly; it's certainly not as good as the first, though, and easily could have been taken in a much more interesting direction.

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PS, just finished Elfen Lied. Between Elfen Lied, SAO, and Nagi no Asukara, I'm getting really sick of the cousin-love thing. It's starting to creep me out how commonly and casually incest is written in unnecessarily. Haha, had to say it.

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And I would say it is.

Sure it isn't the first "trapped in a video game" anime, but it definitely brings in the most psychological and sociological issues of any video game anime I've seen. It brings real world problems into the video game world and creates a very interesting.

Another thing: going back to real world problems/situations in SAO. Human nature is followed into the SAO's world whereas and it feels more real, where in Log Horizon it just felt like everyone was still just in the mindset that they were playing a video game and not trying to survive in another world.

Also we got to see what motivated the characters in SAO and get some background from them. In Log Horizon, we didn't know what motivated the characters at all.

Also I can't think of one relationship in Log Horizon, .hack, or most Shounen animes that was as intriguing as the relationship between Kirito and Asuna. Not one. It was very powerful relationship that blows many Shounen romances out of the water. It actually shows the relationship progress and go somewhere, unlike in most Shounens. None of the typical bullshit where everyone holds in their feelings till the last second.

Sword Art Online did a lot of things that most Shounen anime never do. And that is why I call it ambitious.


Woah now check yourself. You trying to tell me Kirito and Asunas phoned in tsundere love plot is interesting? Perhaps when you realize how straight copied from Berserks Guts and Caska love arc. Right down to the killed friends and last episode villian rape, don't get started on personalities and nicknames.

More importantly... .hack had a lesbian couple formed out of a gender confused kid and a cripple, both parentally abandoned and taking refuge in a fictional mmo world,, in which a surrogate father figure tried to help them while thinking "this isxjust a game...but these are real pepper..I got to help them"

Then you have all those other long bull stories....but still!

My one problem with Kirito and Asunas relationship involves their lack of build up. They just have Kirito save Asuna from rape several times. BAM instant couple.

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Most of the questions you guys have about issues with the story are answered in the Light Novels. Mostly because Aniplex saw it in all their wisdom to take out a lot of character details and inner monologues that explain the mind-sets the characters have. :/

The "romance" with Suguha, it i very one-sided mostly because Kirito only sees her as a sister and not much else. Easy to dislike, sure, but that whole issue is also better told in the LNs. the whole Fairy Dance arc was butchered completely in the anime where anything of significant value was neutered to rush through it as quickly as possible. They didn't have the time to expand on the finer details. ALO is still the weakest part of the story even in the LNs, but it is not as bad as the anime depicted.

As for Kaayaba, Kirito and Asuna didn't just accept everything he did. however, they were all their watching the world they were living in for two years collapse around them, and they thought that they were pretty dead, so it was no real use to just grill Kayaba, who also is pretty much dead. However, Kayaba's main reason that he made the world of SAO was to have his dream come true. It just got warped at some point. I don't think it was fully explained yet mostly because the LNs are still on-going, and may eventually cover him in better detail at a later point.

Worried that Kirito and Sauna don't have enough character development? Don't worry, they will have plenty in both the next two arcs of the story. You think Kirito didn't suffer from his ordeals in SAO? Don't worry, you will get plenty of that in GGO. Worried that Asuna is just a prize r some stereotype with little substance? Don't worry, Mother's Rosario will explain more of her character than anyone else as SHE is the main character there, and not Kirito. Their romance is better built up in the novels as well, where it feels a lot more realistic than the anime version. Mostly because the inner monologues are there to help explain things quite a bit more.

You see, I think people are confused. Everything that happened in the Aincrad story was nothing more than set-up for later and to get the ball rolling. It was what introduced us to the characters in a crazy situation. Everything about them is only explored slightly, as we gain MUCH more depth later in the other arcs. What happened in SAO changed every person involved. If they do the second series right, I think a few more people will see that. So let us hope they don't butcher the story like they did the first time around.

So, yeah, i like SAO. Flaws prevent it from being even close to a masterpiece anime, but the anime was decent enough to get me invested in the Light Novels, which are QUITE a bit better, and, while not perfect, has a lot going for them that I find completely enjoyable to experience.

Anime: 7/10
LNs: 9/10
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cay032692 wrote:

So I guess My only real gripe with SAO which stops it from being a master piece is that Kirito never has a equal and is simply a GOD who beats the game(GOD) masters of games, he is the king of kings, god of gods, badass of badasses and so forth....and why is that possible? beacuse he a genius gamer? nah he was just a regular kid who loved games a bit much and got some beta starts ( more log time), and why aren't there more people in the world to be his match? lot of beta testers would be out their who could even be more superior to his gaming skills. He is a regular kid defying all logic, just beacuse, I need more than "just because" to give it masterpiece title haha

But dnt hate me xD


Haha, in all fairness the equation is there for him to be an OP badass. He had the beta experience, and started soloing right off the bat. Other people joining guilds and whatnot because they were afraid to die would have had to share XP and items from the get-go. I'm sort of glad they didn't show him solo-grinding in the woods to boost his level, lol.


Well matt you just said it, he had " the equation is there for him to be an OP badass. He had the beta experience, and started soloing right off the bat.", now Where are the others with this equation as well is what I was trying to get to :P, you cant tell me He was the ONLY one within that beta that used it to its fullest, Thats like me only acknowledging one of the Method members or Blood legion members within old school WoW who were given secluded beta guild passes and OPed the fuck out of WoW when the patch was released. For there to be no equal was very ehhh, Now if he had been a genius ALONG with all the the previous skills, or atleast something that defined him above others then the path they took in showing why Kirito is god mode is without a doubt acceptable, but instead he was just another regular hardcore gamer and you cannot tell me there is a limited amount of those in the eastern(asian) server region xD. But that is just not the case, he only has a simple equation which many others within the game had, and having "HEART" shouldn't be his true or only driving point in a game that allows him to break its logic completly.

LOL i think i am just having issue due to not only coming from a gaming background but also a Computer Science background, you cant just break shit with will, where nothing is truly real but your brain synapses, without having the Brains to dismantle its logic.
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You all be hating on Sugu smh.
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I agree with this 100%
I really enjoyed the first part in SAO, but the second part felt kinda rushed.
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Well matt you just said it, he had " the equation is there for him to be an OP badass. He had the beta experience, and started soloing right off the bat.", now Where are the others with this equation as well is what I was trying to get to :P, you cant tell me He was the ONLY one within that beta that used it to its fullest, Thats like me only acknowledging one of the Method members or Blood legion members within old school WoW who were given secluded beta guild passes and OPed the fuck out of WoW when the patch was released. For there to be no equal was very ehhh, Now if he had been a genius ALONG with all the the previous skills, or atleast something that defined him above others then the path they took in showing why Kirito is god mode is without a doubt acceptable, but instead he was just another regular hardcore gamer and you cannot tell me there is a limited amount of those in the eastern(asian) server region xD. But that is just not the case, he only has a simple equation which many others within the game had, and having "HEART" shouldn't be his true or only driving point in a game that allows him to break its logic completly.


They covered this. Nobody got further in the Beta than Kirito and most were beginners in VRMMOs. All the other BETTER players were non-beta testers for the most part. Asuna, Klein, Agil, etc. Most of the clearing party were on level of Kirito in some lway. Most just lacked his reaction time, which is REALLY what made him OP. Only the fastest reaction timed player can get Duel-Wield, hence Kirito being OP. A bunch of players, however, DID do what Kirito did, clearing early levels in order to get ahead of everything else. This was even said in the anime in episode 2! As for a rival for Kirito's level... did we really need that? The story was not really about humans fighting humans as much as humans trying to live through an insane ordeal. If you want people on equal terms with Kirito when it comes to fighting, then wait for the second series in the anime. You will be GETTING one. :/
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