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Mentally challenged kid taken to court for wire tapping!?
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The video described him as a pacifist. He himself did not raise the problem to the degree it should have. And I can imagine the kind of complaints he raised. The parents could have been more forceful, without a need for the recording.


I think the article linked by the video gives more insight. The teacher was with him when the recorded incident happened and the teacher didn't really do anything about it.
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I think the article linked by the video gives more insight. The teacher was with him when the recorded incident happened and the teacher didn't really do anything about it.

The video is just profanity filled rambling. Not very convincing tbh. If it was my kid I would've done way more though. His parents seriously messed up.
Posted 4/15/14 , edited 4/15/14

Reiyalin wrote:


bathroom64 wrote:

The video described him as a pacifist. He himself did not raise the problem to the degree it should have. And I can imagine the kind of complaints he raised. The parents could have been more forceful, without a need for the recording.


I think the article linked by the video gives more insight. The teacher was with him when the recorded incident happened and the teacher didn't really do anything about it.


Reason #1 why I always seek out the actual article and ignore youtube videos about it.


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Reiyalin wrote:
I think the article linked by the video gives more insight. The teacher was with him when the recorded incident happened and the teacher didn't really do anything about it.

The video is just profanity filled rambling. Not very convincing tbh. If it was my kid I would've done way more though. His parents seriously messed up.


I seriously hope you are just trolling because the parents didn't mess up at all. It is not on the parents to provide a safe environment at school. That is the schools job and responsibility. There is a certain level of expectation that every school has when you place a child into it and one of those expectations is that the child will be cared for should incidents like this happen.
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How sickening.
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The video is just profanity filled rambling. Not very convincing tbh. If it was my kid I would've done way more though. His parents seriously messed up.


I agree that the excessive use of profanity in the video doesn't really help it give a good story. I went and read the article link too since I was like ok, the guy in the video isn't really helping make his case with the profanity.

The link to the article the video talks about:
http://aattp.org/special-ed-student-who-recorded-bullies-tormenting-him-accused-of-felony-wiretapping/

And a related article:
http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/5941400-74/son-love-recording#axzz2z0IpcWoJ
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Reiyalin wrote:


The video is just profanity filled rambling. Not very convincing tbh. If it was my kid I would've done way more though. His parents seriously messed up.


I agree that the excessive use of profanity in the video doesn't really help it give a good story. I went and read the article link too since I was like ok, the guy in the video isn't really helping make his case with the profanity.

The link to the article the video talks about:
http://aattp.org/special-ed-student-who-recorded-bullies-tormenting-him-accused-of-felony-wiretapping/

And a related article:
http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/5941400-74/son-love-recording#axzz2z0IpcWoJ


No worries, I already left a link to the news article in the original post.
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If you are a parent, it is your job to do everything to make sure your child is safe. Go above and beyond. Don't just half ass it. If your kid is getting harassed at school, go to the police, press charges, change your kid's school, and have those bullies expelled. Anyways, I don't feel like condoning breaking the law is all.
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If you are a parent, it is your job to do everything to make sure your child is safe. Go above and beyond. Don't just half ass it. If your kid is getting harassed at school, go to the police, press charges, change your kid's school, and have those bullies expelled. Anyways, I don't feel like condoning breaking the law is all.


I was busy when the posts were happening, but well done.. It is a terrible situation, but justice is blind.
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I can never take AlphaOmegaSin seriously w/ his news reports. He just goes about it in such a...vulgarly, ill mannered way.
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If you are a parent, it is your job to do everything to make sure your child is safe. Go above and beyond. Don't just half ass it. If your kid is getting harassed at school, go to the police, press charges, change your kid's school, and have those bullies expelled. Anyways, I don't feel like condoning breaking the law is all.


As soon as the kid is on school grounds it becomes the schools job to protect and take care of that kid. This entire school all the way up to the superintendent is of one mind that there was no problem. How are you going to press charges when there is no real evidence of anything happening? The teachers obviously aren't in the habit of making note of incidents that happen to even accurately show what is happening in the school records. Change his school in what way? Literally moving him to another school is an option but it won't help any of the other kids getting bullied at that school and I can guarantee they are there if the school won't even stand up and help a child with mental disabilities. Change his schools policies and such? Easier said than done with a school who refuses to even really acknowledge even now that there is a problem. Students and teachers, aside from teachers personal spaces, have no expectation of privacy. The police even said it didn't warrant the wiretapping charge. Instead he was hit with disorderly conduct. I suppose going off their law what he was really guilty of is "intent to cause public inconvenience" by making the school actually do their job.
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If you are a parent, it is your job to do everything to make sure your child is safe. Go above and beyond. Don't just half ass it. If your kid is getting harassed at school, go to the police, press charges, change your kid's school, and have those bullies expelled. Anyways, I don't feel like condoning breaking the law is all.


It's not exactly clear he did break the law.

http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/5945781-74/fayette-south-recording#axzz2z0LSPUxn

"One-on-one conversations in a school might have an expectation of privacy, experts said, but taunting someone in front of a teacher and other classmates would not.
“Once you're willing to say something in front of a room full of 20 people, by definition it's no longer private,” said Frank LoMonte, executive director of the Student Press Law Center in Arlington, Va."
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It's not exactly clear he did break the law.

http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/5945781-74/fayette-south-recording#axzz2z0LSPUxn

"One-on-one conversations in a school might have an expectation of privacy, experts said, but taunting someone in front of a teacher and other classmates would not.
“Once you're willing to say something in front of a room full of 20 people, by definition it's no longer private,” said Frank LoMonte, executive director of the Student Press Law Center in Arlington, Va."

Well, since he was found guilty, his lawyer must've sucked.
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mlchanges wrote:
It's not exactly clear he did break the law.

http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/5945781-74/fayette-south-recording#axzz2z0LSPUxn

"One-on-one conversations in a school might have an expectation of privacy, experts said, but taunting someone in front of a teacher and other classmates would not.
“Once you're willing to say something in front of a room full of 20 people, by definition it's no longer private,” said Frank LoMonte, executive director of the Student Press Law Center in Arlington, Va."

Well, since he was found guilty, his lawyer must've sucked.


At the very least his lawyer had to pass a bar exam, the judge just had to have a few more yard signs than the other guy during the election. Nah, couldn't be an incompetent judge tossing the local cops another conviction, had to have been the lawyer....
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Evidence has to be obtained legally.

If I broke into someone's house and stole a book that shows he's working with the Mafia then that evidence is considered illegal and cannot be used in a court of law.

If I noticed the guy has been suspicious and there's guys in Mafia-ish coats coming to his house every Thursday and I tell the police and they get a warrant and find that book, then it's legally obtained.

Yes, it sucks that the kid got in trouble himself but recording things in a public space where privacy is expected then you're in trouble. That's why it's very tricky for some schools, colleges, and universities to set up security cameras around the courtyards cause though the cams might catch sexual assaults, thefts, etc...it also might catch couples making out,etc.


Do I believe the kid deserved to be punished? No, they should of told him that recording suchs things in a school isn't allowed and is illegal, tossed out the evidence and then just asked the kid to tell them that the other kid is bullying him and go from there. Honestly, even if he's mentally challenged he should still be able to say "Mommy! Billy is bullying me!".
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Unfortunately, according to Pennyslvania State Law, recording of conversations is only lawful when every party involved in said conversation gives consent to the recording. The wording isn't exactly clear, however, most likely leading to this controversy.

"The law does not cover oral communications when the speakers do not have an 'expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation'". My source here goes on "Therefore, you may be able to record in-person conversations occurring in a public place without consent ... However you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you is private."

So what this whole deal sounds like to me is just the school / school district doing the usual school district thing and covering their asses trying to prevent themselves from being on the defendant side of a lawsuit. Does that make it right? No, of course not, But i just sort of find it shocking that the Department of Education pours so much money into anti-bullying campaigns, slogans, assemblies, and posters lining the halls only to take this sort of action. I don't know, maybe I'm crazy.
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