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Mentally challenged kid taken to court for wire tapping!?
Posted 4/15/14 , edited 4/15/14

flamedance58 wrote:

Yes, it sucks that the kid got in trouble himself but recording things in a public space where privacy is expected then you're in trouble. That's why it's very tricky for some schools, colleges, and universities to set up security cameras around the courtyards cause though the cams might catch sexual assaults, thefts, etc...it also might catch couples making out,etc.


Do I believe the kid deserved to be punished? No, they should of told him that recording suchs things in a school isn't allowed and is illegal, tossed out the evidence and then just asked the kid to tell them that the other kid is bullying him and go from there. Honestly, even if he's mentally challenged he should still be able to say "Mommy! Billy is bullying me!".


I would like to point out he didn't even end up getting into trouble for wiretapping. He was found guilty of disorderly conduct.

There is no real expectation of privacy. Schools have actually installed cameras in classrooms before. As one of the experts states an expectation of privacy can be present in a one-on-one conversation but this kid was doing it all out in the open. In college kids record the lectures all the time. That isn't considered wiretapping. If it caught the bullying incident in the recording of taking notes what then?

Both him and his mom did tell the schools numerous times that he was being bullied and nothing at all happened from it. He told his mom what was going on and she took appropriate action by going to the school about it but they refused to act on it.


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Unfortunately, according to Pennyslvania State Law, recording of conversations is only lawful when every party involved in said conversation gives consent to the recording. The wording isn't exactly clear, however, most likely leading to this controversy.

"The law does not cover oral communications when the speakers do not have an 'expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation'". My source here goes on "Therefore, you may be able to record in-person conversations occurring in a public place without consent ... However you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you is private."

So what this whole deal sounds like to me is just the school / school district doing the usual school district thing and covering their asses trying to prevent themselves from being on the defendant side of a lawsuit. Does that make it right? No, of course not, But i just sort of find it shocking that the Department of Education pours so much money into anti-bullying campaigns, slogans, assemblys, and posters lining the halls only to take this sort of action. I don't know, maybe I'm crazy.


The only thing I can think of that would make sense is that the students doing the bullying happen to be some kind of athletes who help the school make more money. Schools always prioritize sports over the well-being of the students these days.
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justanotherguy_2005 wrote:
I would like to point out he didn't even end up getting into trouble for wiretapping. He was found guilty of disorderly conduct..


How in the world did they come to that conclusion?
Posted 4/15/14

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justanotherguy_2005 wrote:
I would like to point out he didn't even end up getting into trouble for wiretapping. He was found guilty of disorderly conduct..


How in the world did they come to that conclusion?


Going strictly off of Pennsylvania law...I have no clue. Maybe trying to get help for yourself is unreasonable noise?

§ 5503. Disorderly conduct.
(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly
conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance
or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:
(1) engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or
tumultuous behavior;
(2) makes unreasonable noise;
(3) uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture;
or
(4) creates a hazardous or physically offensive
condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of
the actor.

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Wow, this reminds me of something I heard about a robber who was trying to break into a woman's house. He fell from high up (I think a window or something), landed on a knife, sued the woman who he was trying to steal from. And. He. Freakin'......Won -_-
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Makes me feel sad about this news. Yet, outraged. I defiantly feel the kid's pain. Trying to end this dreadful crap that he's going through. I can't believe none of the teachers didn't care about this situation, and that he's been called on by the police. Starting to get this feeling that, you just can't win. No.. scratch that. The teachers, the police, the judge, How idiotic can they be treating the mentally challenged kid like dirt. Honestly, they can treat me like dirt all they want cause I'm standing for the kid who's physically abused.
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Posted 4/15/14
What about video recordings? That's popular nowadays: someone bullies another and everyone around them does nothing but record it
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Sadly this is how the justice system goes. I am in this Political science class and the professor briefly mentioned the justice system. All i can say is that what's "right" to do in a moral situation don't play nice with the justice system. Today he even mentioned about this new case that will let chocolate companies buy those chocolates that are not "slave free" and not label it because it violate company's privacy right since companies are now considered individuals.

"Well played" Supreme justices.
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He broke the law though didn't he? There could have been other ways to go about solving the problem right?


There's also a law that says you cannot wear cowboy boots without owning two cows and one where you cannot curse in front of a woman.
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There's also a law that says you cannot wear cowboy boots without owning two cows and one where you cannot curse in front of a woman.

Not where I live anyways. But, I thought the argument was over and it was proven I'm a disrespectful idiot. Let's just leave it at that.
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I just thought you were an idiot, didn't even cross my mind as disrespectful, but I guess that is true too.
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so the bully didn't get in trouble at all
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As fucked up as the situation is, I can't help but find this hilarious! Seriously, I would have liked to have been in the court room for that case. I probably would have been kicked out for laughing too loud. Honestly, it's so ridiculous that the principal would do that and that the retard would found guilty of wire tapping (or whatever the actual charge was) that you can't even make that shit up. Ahhhh, this just helps validate my case that the world is just a fucked up, corrupted mess.
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Perhaps these anti-bullying campaigns should target teachers and school staff instead of students, because it's clearly not working towards students.
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Last i remember'd when someone higher than you aka *the law or Teachers* dont do anything kids tend to do stupid stuff just so they can fight back, aka either bring knifes to school or just start shooting everyone that's why there should be a rule about bullying otherwise someone somewhere will just burst out and start shooting people like before incidents.
Posted 4/16/14 , edited 4/16/14

devouringdragons wrote:

Bullying in America is terrible. There are numerous cases where children are being bullied and the school and authority do nothing about it. So, this particular case doesn't surprise me at all. How can a child get in trouble with the law because he was obtainig evidence of personal bullying? It's really messed up.


Bullying happens all over the world, not just in America. It happens where you live as well. But personally, I would say bullying in Japan would take the cake over bullying in America any day - or the UK for instance.

The bullying there is severe, and it is always the victim's fault. Its the victim's fault in Japan when they are bullied. It is their fault when they are isolated. It is there fault when their fellows pick on them. It is always the victim's fault, not the bully. (And this doesn't just go for bullying, it also goes for things like rape etc.) Japan has issues.

There are actually several manga that talk about this, one that comes to mind is a chapter from Tokyo Babylon - a girl is being bullied mentally and violently, and while she does learn to stand up for herself - there is nothing that is truly resolved. The bullies are not punished, and there are instances where the school tells the girl she simply "did not try hard enough" to fit it. On top of that, she is horribly disfigured in an accident resulting from the bullies well...Bullying her.



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