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Mentally challenged kid taken to court for wire tapping!?
Posted 4/16/14

qualeshia3 wrote:

Oh how this country never cease to amaze me with the amount of stupidity that it has.


You just can't win anymore.


Bullying in America (and most other countries) look like nothing compared to Japan's rampant bullying in the school system. But yes: this is one of the worst cases of bullying and its outcome I've heard from in America.
Posted 4/16/14
Fuck bullies.
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It's pretty depressing.
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Posted 4/16/14
If Penn. law says that both parties need to provide consent, is the mentally challenged child actually able to legally give consent? If not, then it can't really be fulfilled....
The way I see it, the victim acted in self-defense. The victim was trying to keep the peace from the bullies, finding incriminating information against them. If they got him for disorderly conduct, defined as:

a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of disorderly
conduct if, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance
or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:
(1) engages in fighting or threatening, or in violent or
tumultuous behavior;
(2) makes unreasonable noise;
(3) uses obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture;
or
(4) creates a hazardous or physically offensive
condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose of
the actor.


He was trying to reduce the risk of the bullies becoming an annoyance and producing possible risk. He was trying to negate possible disorderly conduct, not create it. i would imagine they got the victim from (4), but there was obvious legitimate purpose, even if the bullies felt a right to privacy in a public forum, with the possibility of consent being impossible. I see no reason why the victim became the plaintiff.
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Posted 4/17/14
I went to high school in the south. Two girls kissed before parting for classes one time. There was talk of setting them on fire after that. Students did throw large rocks at them. No one got in trouble for it. I was friends with them and stuck up for them. I was able to keep them from getting injured when the rocks got thrown. I did get jumped more than once for doing that. I wouldn't say I lost those fights, but I'm not comfortable calling them clear wins either.

There is bullying that results in deaths and suicides in the states that does not get punished sometimes. I would not call it better or worse in either Japan or America. It also depends on which part of the US you're in.

As to this case, based on what information is available I fail to see a reasonable justification for a guilty verdict for either item. Unless there is info unavailable to us I do not see how he engaged in disorderly conduct or how there was any expectation of privacy. Aside from a very limited set of locations there is zero expectation of privacy at schools in the US. This sounds like the legal system taking care of other elected and appointed officials caught with their pants down.

Also, to anyone calling for blanket obedience to the law, the law is not necessarily moral. What is moral is not always legal. I will follow my morals. I'm no Martin Luther King or Ghandi, but I do not blindly follow authority. Authority needs to be just and justifiable or it ought to be either challenged or ignored. There are always consequences for all actions, consider the consequences, but they should not be the sole guidance in your decisions.
Posted 4/17/14
My teacher did that to me too. Like, bullying.

I THINK IT'S DISGUSTING THAT THAT HAPPENED TO HIM.

I also happen to be a pacifist like him >.> Lol, wtf......

STUPID WORLD
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Posted 4/17/14
This is ridiculous

The lawyer who was supposed to represent the challenged kid is challenged himself. How could he even let him get pleaded guilty for wiretapping??
Posted 4/17/14

Baka-God wrote:

This is ridiculous

The lawyer who was supposed to represent the challenged kid is challenged himself. How could he even let him get pleaded guilty for wiretapping??


It isn't really the lawyers fault and he was found guilty of disorderly conduct. If the judge has their mind made up on the issue and is stubborn then no argument the lawyer makes will change anything until an appeal is made and a new judge can step in.
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Posted 4/17/14
The only way to get people to listen nowadays is to walk into a school with a gun and start shooting. Even that doesn't help cause people will blame it on something else "TV, music, games, movies, gun control" etc Never is it he got fed up with all the bullying which no one cared to stop. Welcome to our fucked up world
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Posted 4/17/14
For how horrible bullying can be, I believe there is always a way out of it, though it may not be a course of action that you would like to take. Really, I can think of several ways to get out of any given bullying situation.
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Posted 4/17/14
In the first place what would a mentally-challenged-bullied-kid know about the law, when all he ever want is freedom from bullying. There are just too many unfair laws in the world. :/
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Posted 4/17/14
As a cop for me it would be hard on my soul to arrest this kid.
As for law in the states the bully would have been charged with either assault or verbal abuse.
Depending on which one depending on how old he was would have been charged as a minor or adult.
In the states that undeniable proof would have been gold.
There really should be any privacy law like that at school why because you are in public not private school.
Posted 4/17/14 , edited 4/17/14
He must be feeling so alone, i'm sorry to hear this. He should have posted the recording online anonymously.


jeanryl wrote:

In the first place what would a mentally-challenged-bullied-kid know about the law, when all he ever want is freedom from bullying. There are just too many unfair laws in the world. :/


This should have been the defense and played with it. His case should have only concentrated on the recording. His stupid school was obviously going to defend itself and their reasons as to why they were not proactive in sorting out the issue so he should have kept them out of court. The lawyer failed him, ambitious fucker.
Posted 4/17/14

superbanjo65 wrote:

Unfortunately, according to Pennyslvania State Law, recording of conversations is only lawful when every party involved in said conversation gives consent to the recording. The wording isn't exactly clear, however, most likely leading to this controversy.

"The law does not cover oral communications when the speakers do not have an 'expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation'". My source here goes on "Therefore, you may be able to record in-person conversations occurring in a public place without consent ... However you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you is private."

So what this whole deal sounds like to me is just the school / school district doing the usual school district thing and covering their asses trying to prevent themselves from being on the defendant side of a lawsuit. Does that make it right? No, of course not, But i just sort of find it shocking that the Department of Education pours so much money into anti-bullying campaigns, slogans, assemblys, and posters lining the halls only to take this sort of action. I don't know, maybe I'm crazy.


Yes this ^. Better to have embarrassed them worldwide and maybe the Department of Education might have handled this in a smarter way because without their knowledge this school managed to make not only themselves a fool but also other affected parties.
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