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Posted 4/23/14 , edited 4/23/14

Insomnist wrote:

Are you looking for the word archetype, or inevitability? Because a character can be given an inevitable fate, or the feeling of inevitable doom. This fits really well here I think, since one of the fundamental issues with the series is isolation. Sayaka isolates herself, Homura isolates herself, Madoka isolates herself, Sakura isolates herself, Mami isolates herself. All of them try to deal with their problems alone and lock themselves into their respective paths.

Wouldn't a Mercurio character wreck that isolation? Especially given the intentionally claustrophobic cast.

The problem then being that the story doesn't invite you to invest in the characters since you see no hope for them?


Although we've all failed on that score now and again.


Sorry for the slow responses. Life and stuff. All bosses come in two catagories for me. Either I argue with them, and they hate me. Or I argue with them, and they love how hard working I am. One or the other. I'm quite the failure when it comes to not arguing.

And nail on head! The archetypes are used as a way to bring about the inevitability, which is part of a problem. The archetypes themselves not so much... but they were used to that end so....perhaps so.

Mercurio is a character I personally love. He wrecks isolation and sings his own crazy tunes, it's part of his character. Mercurio's death in Romeo and Juliet marks the end of the carefree nonsense he represented, as well as the fate controlling nonsense he provided. He perhaps didn't have to die... but his endless rant about how he's fine(and totally going to die) eventually kills him before Romeo gets a doctor. It's funny as opposed to tragic.

The ending was foreshadowed from the start as inevitable, while Madoka Magica ends with slightly more positive note, it's still inevitable.

Edit; Another sorta rushed argument. I've been wanting to type it out all day, but I've not been in the mood to deal with the kindle.

But further more, Romeo and Juliet were teens who decided having wild crazy sex because "our parents would totally flip out" are Archetypes before they're characters.

All characters in Madoka Magica are like Romeo and Juliet, and none are like Mercurio... unless you wish to make the argument that Madoka herself is Mercurio....

in fact. I'm going to run with that last line of thought. That actually improves Madoka Magica to me......

like a lot.....

I'm going to go rewatch a few episodes now.
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Call me an asshat, but I have not seen Madoka.



Putting it on hold because a certain part of the fanbase appears to have this audacity of putting down lesser known anime.
That just pisses me off.

Its like a pack of wolves clobbering a struggling puppy.
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Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:

Putting it on hold because a certain part of the fanbase appears to have this audacity of putting down lesser known anime.
That just pisses me off.

Its like a pack of wolves clobbering a struggling puppy.

Everything. In the universe. Has fans. That do this. Every anime. Every game. Every book. Every movie. Everything.
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Posted 4/23/14

Insomnist wrote:


Animegirlzvstheworld wrote:

Putting it on hold because a certain part of the fanbase appears to have this audacity of putting down lesser known anime.
That just pisses me off.

Its like a pack of wolves clobbering a struggling puppy.

Everything. In the universe. Has fans. That do this. Every anime. Every game. Every book. Every movie. Everything.





I know...



Everything...




Everything...
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Insomnist wrote:
Everything. In the universe. Has fans. That do this. Every anime. Every game. Every book. Every movie. Everything.


Well, not everything. The analogous fans of lesser-known works constantly put down greater-known works instead. It's the circle of shallow criticism.
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Madoka is good for the same reason that Game of Thrones is good. Believable characters and believable consequences injected into a genre where those things have long since been left behind. Mami dying is exactly the same as Ned Starks dying. It's showing the viewer that they aren't watching what they thought they were watching.

Unlike most shows where the darkness is the result of them tacking on some lame backstory and heavy mascara Madoka does the opposite. It takes the central premise of Magical Girls and strips it down to what it is. Child soldiers being put into horrific situations for the reasons that anybody anywhere uses child soldiers. They are easily manipulated.

The darkness is revealed as the genre itself. Which has always hidden behind transformation sequences, cute costumes, and deus ex machina. It doesn't have to be tacked on because it was always there.

That's why Madoka is good.

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Madoka is good for the same reason that Game of Thrones is good. Believable characters and believable consequences injected into a genre where those things have long since been left behind. Mami dying is exactly the same as Ned Starks dying. It's showing the viewer that they aren't watching what they thought they were watching.

Unlike most shows where the darkness is the result of them tacking on some lame backstory and heavy mascara Madoka does the opposite. It takes the central premise of Magical Girls and strips it down to what it is. Child soldiers being put into horrific situations for the reasons that anybody anywhere uses child soldiers. They are easily manipulated.

The darkness is revealed as the genre itself. Which has always hidden behind transformation sequences, cute costumes, and deus ex machina. It doesn't have to be tacked on because it was always there.

That's why Madoka is good.



1) watch Now and Then, Here and There.

2) I believe GoT and Madoka are very very very different. Super duckling Amazing...both od them. But for different reasons.
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Try hard shit. Dont bother.


I bet you're great at parties.
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Finally, a place to express my negative opinion on Madoka without being completely shot down.

My problem with Madoka is that, as a story itself, I thought it was weak. The plot, to me, didn't go anywhere, rather, it was slow until the very end. I know everyone praises the story in Madoka, but I think the praise is more for the twists and elements they use in a magical girl. The main character doesn't drive the story, instead, the other characters and the plot itself does.
That is another thing I didn't like about Madoka: the characters. All the main characters were bland and hard to describe. Like, Sayaka is... tomboy?? with a crush on a guy...? so she sacrificed herself... That's all I get from her. Or Mami. I don't even know how to describe Mami's character because of how boring she is. Or even Madoka. She doesn't develop at all throughout the first ten episodes, and then she decides to become a god and end suffering for all magical girls. The transition from her character development is too sudden and poorly done.
However, I think the most interesting character is Homura. She has a background, a motive, and is a dynamic character. BUT, her character resembles another character too closely for my full praise: Rika Furude from Higurashi. Homura is considered one of the best time traveling characters, but her gimmick is just like Rika's. She travels back to a certain point in time ( btw she travels back five times in the main story) in order to save Madoka, and repeats the time loop until she succeeds. Rika Furude travels back in time (she travels back thousands of times) in order to save the deaths of all her friends and her village. I know more people have seen Madoka that Higurashi, but it irks me whenever people praise Homura as being an amazing time traveling character when her motive isn't original.
But anime doesn't solely need to rely on story and characters to be considered good. I will say that Madoka has a lovely art style and highly detailed backgrounds, superb animation quality, and an invigorating soundtrack done by a brilliant composer. So, aesthetically, Madoka receives top marks from me. But I look for more than just pretty art; I look for more depth within the story and themes and other factors. And, overall, Madoka is pretty mediocre in that aspect. It's a little sad that art style has such a big influence on how an anime is received. I feel like recently, in order for anime to get recognition, it needs a good art style. For example, Attack on Titan and Sword Art Online. I'm not saying these animes are bad, but would they have gotten as popular as they are without nice art?
In the end, Madoka is a respectable anime. I can see why people would like it. Its different and a little dark and provides some fresh air to a rather dated genre, similar to what Eva did to the mecha genre. But, I didn't name it the best anime of 2011 like most people (especially with animes like Anohana and Tiger and Bunny also in 2011). Its good enough for me to get a key chain and a really nice fan-art print of it, but not good enough for those 11 inch figurines or an expensive cosplay.
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Insomnist wrote:
Everything. In the universe. Has fans. That do this. Every anime. Every game. Every book. Every movie. Everything.


Well, not everything. The analogous fans of lesser-known works constantly put down greater-known works instead. It's the circle of shallow criticism.





I certainly try not to...

I can be able to appreciate the accomplishment of making it big.



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That is another thing I didn't like about Madoka: the characters. All the main characters were bland and hard to describe.


I don't know about that... <.<'



To me, the characters themselves are what make the series so endearing. All five of them have some of the better written drama that I have seen in quite a while. They were able to do more with less episodes than most other series can manage with double the episodes.
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I don't even know how Madoka can be considered "dark" in the anime world.

It's not dark. To those people I say, LOL , here's a copy of Blood C and Higurashi, knock yourself out you pussy.
But it's a "deep" show they say? Here's Ergo Proxy and Casshern sins. go blow up your brain.

Anyway, I think one of the reasons people liked it that I didn't read you list was the art style. The witch world they would go into or whatever was pretty unique and cool. The show looked pretty good in general.

I agree that it wasn't really anything special. I wasn't really that blown away. Mami dying was a shock but I didn't really care about her all too much. Obviously there was that cool little twist with that time girl at the end.

Nothing new, but it wasn't a horrible show either.





Gotta love Casshern!
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WitlessMean wrote:

I don't even know how Madoka can be considered "dark" in the anime world.

It's not dark. To those people I say, LOL , here's a copy of Blood C and Higurashi, knock yourself out you pussy.
But it's a "deep" show they say? Here's Ergo Proxy and Casshern sins. go blow up your brain.

Anyway, I think one of the reasons people liked it that I didn't read you list was the art style. The witch world they would go into or whatever was pretty unique and cool. The show looked pretty good in general.

I agree that it wasn't really anything special. I wasn't really that blown away. Mami dying was a shock but I didn't really care about her all too much. Obviously there was that cool little twist with that time girl at the end.

Nothing new, but it wasn't a horrible show either.





Gotta love Casshern!


People who see Casshern's beauty are my friends!
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