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Should Anime fans be snootier?
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Posted 4/18/14

Stonewolfe wrote:


PretearHimeno wrote:

I don't know about you guys, but I prefer to watch all my anime while wearing a monocle.




Obviously I'm the one on the right.



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I say we stop calling it a niche market.

Anime may be a highly specific genre and style created and fueled through Japan and yada yada blah blah blah.

And we may be a part of this classically ghetto group of otaku.

But I feel Anime is far than large enough to get out of the "niche" phrasing.

I mean Jesus people, were discussing this on a streaming site specifically dedicated to Anime. A streaming site who is in competition wth Netflix and Hulu for my video streaming viewership.

Niche discribes Anime in the 90's sure. But the day I had a conversation with my teacher about Spirited Away and other Ghibli movies in general was the day Anime stooped being niche.
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Posted 4/18/14

Felstalker wrote:

I say we stop calling it a niche market.

Anime may be a highly specific genre and style created and fueled through Japan and yada yada blah blah blah.

And we may be a part of this classically ghetto group of otaku.

But I feel Anime is far than large enough to get out of the "niche" phrasing.

I mean Jesus people, were discussing this on a streaming site specifically dedicated to Anime. A streaming site who is in competition wth Netflix and Hulu for my video streaming viewership.

Niche discribes Anime in the 90's sure. But the day I had a conversation with my teacher about Spirited Away and other Ghibli movies in general was the day Anime stooped being niche.



Truth. Might not be like it was during the anime boom, but we can't say anime is niche or socially unacceptable when sorority chicks are taking selfies of them dressed as cat girls.


Though it is also truth that anime is directed at a very niche group domestically, which is where most peeps problems with anime come from. It has a global audience, but is mostly being made for a very specific group of people.
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I try not to hate anything. Love anime? Yes. But more importantly, I appreciate the amount and quality of anime that we watch.
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Being snooty about anything is a good way to get hurt.
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Posted 4/18/14

aidenraine wrote:
aren't we snotty enough as is?


Adding my agreement to this pile.
Posted 4/18/14 , edited 4/18/14
Anime has a lot of artistic potential that is left largely untapped. Occasionally something comes along that really runs with that potential converting it into something great for shows like Elfen Lied, Time of Eve, EF Series, Kara no Kyokai, Mushishi, 3CM Per Second (no matter how much it angered me), Wandering Son, and even shows we're currently watching like One Week Friends. There are many other high quality shows out there but anime as a whole has a lot more to give than what we normally get. Should anime fans get snotty over it? No. Should we demand more than school girl harems? Hell yes.
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Honestly, I would rather be the guy who can appreciate anime, rather than a annoying critic who complains about everything.
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Posted 4/18/14
hey! pacific rim is a good movie
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Snooty means showing disapproval or contempt toward others, especially those considered to belong to a lower social class. Should anime fans be snootier, I think not. Being snooty is toxic to the fandom, as it places yourself and your opinions on a pedestal above others'. You are crowning yourself king/queen of the proper way to view an anime, and at the same time invalidating the opinions and feelings of those that disagree with your way of thinking. There is no one "true" way to experience or even interpret an anime; it's subjective to the individual viewer at the time. If anything, anime fans should be less snooty and more congenial; fostering free speech and lively but civil discussion.

Anime fans from all viewpoints should be able to freely share how a series impacted them without feeling like they'll be attacked for their opinion; that goes both ways, for both negative and positive opinions of series. Criticism is great when it aims to break down how one feels about an anime, and thus present those feelings in a way others can better understand. However, when criticism presents opinions as facts, it then aims to dismiss all dissenting opinions as ill informed. The critic is telling others how they should think and feel based on his/her own biases, not helping others reach their own conclusions.

It's fine to explain why one feels a series is good or bad, but the reviewer should not use language that implies their standard for judging the work is universally accepted or the correct way to view the work for all. I don't want social classes of anime fans and a hierarchy of fandom, that's just plain wrong. We are all fans and we all like what we like for reasons that are personal to us, and everyone should respect that fact and not look down on others for liking something they don't like.

All that said, I'm certainly not against more serious contemplation and analysis regarding the anime we watch. I think it's great to go in to detail and even quote dialogue or use screecaps to get points across about scenes. We should foster an environment where this type of discussion is encouraged, and that means being less snooty and more tolerant of opposing viewpoints. If we act like there is a methodology to how people feel and react to an anime that is universal it defeats the purpose of discussion. We would then all agree on what's good and bad and stop being individuals with our own tastes and preferences.

Some people find summer blockbusters to be deeply moving, and thus may feel they are a masterpiece to them. While others may find art house type works to be dull or not engaging, and thus a failure to them. Ultimately the old adage rings true, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Let's celebrate our diversity and not look down on others because they think or feel differently.
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Posted 4/18/14
We should act like entitled jerks that demand people in another country making cartoons for people in another country cater to our desires?

Why?
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Posted 4/18/14 , edited 4/18/14

kdroberts wrote:

We should act like entitled jerks that demand people in another country making cartoons for people in another country cater to our desires?

Why?


Because you wouldn't really be demanding more of anything but yourself. Joking language aside, the point really boils down to "Can we treat this stuff as if it were written by adults while at the same time not sucking all the fun out of it?



sonic720 wrote:

Snooty means showing disapproval or contempt toward others, especially those considered to belong to a lower social class. Should anime fans be snootier, I think not. Being snooty is toxic to the fandom, as it places yourself and your opinions on a pedestal above others'. You are crowning yourself king/queen of the proper way to view an anime, and at the same time invalidating the opinions and feelings of those that disagree with your way of thinking. There is no one "true" way to experience or even interpret an anime; it's subjective to the individual viewer at the time. If anything, anime fans should be less snooty and more congenial; fostering free speech and lively but civil discussion.


Yes I know snooty has negative connotations :p I used it ironically/self-depreciatingly kind of to show I was presenting the question from both sides.


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hey! pacific rim is a good movie


It is! But a movie like Pacific Rim would be treated as a better film than a movie like Chinatown by the community, and I'm not sure that's entirely appropriate (but mabye it is :D)
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Posted 4/18/14 , edited 4/19/14
If anime fans become any more snootier, we'll have to begin pushing them into moving traffic.
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Posted 4/18/14

windsagio wrote:

"Can we treat this stuff as if it were written by adults while at the same time not sucking all the fun out of it?"


You sound like an old person, m8.
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Posted 4/18/14 , edited 4/18/14
Can't a guy just sit in a pile of panties while hugging a pillow with his sister's face embroidered on it and surrounded by thousands of empty pocky boxes watch anime without having to worry about having to be snooty?
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