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Your tone and even your username is why I don't mind the harassment hardcore fans of this hobby feel they get. May as well add in a "you're only hardcore if you can read content in other languages." Other than the elitism, I agree.


What I mean:
It's us hardcore otakus that buy all the stuff when majority of the others watch and read all the illegal stuff. And generally, hardcore otakus don't like mainstream. And yet, mainstream books are selling way more than the others (not even double or triple. Way more) because of these problems
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Posted 4/18/14 , edited 4/18/14

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Where do you shop at? Best-buy?


Barnes & Noble and Amazon

Aladdin US for Korean books


It was a joke. I said Best-Buy because... well... have you seen their prices (such as, their Blu-rays)? That's basically what you're comparing the majority of people who buy manga to -- the average joes who buy their expensive items like all the other average joes. I wouldn't necessarily call "Otaku" average joes.

Why don't you try Rightstuf, CDJapan, etc.? Amazon Japan?

You can find manga in English for under $10, even $5 if you actually look, you know.

Adding to what someone else mentioned -- you do sound like an elitist, somewhat.
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FkYouBish wrote:


Shrapnel893 wrote:

Where do you shop at? Best-buy?


Barnes & Noble and Amazon

Aladdin US for Korean books


It was a joke. I said Best-Buy because... well... have you seen their prices (such as, their Blu-rays)? That's basically what you're comparing the majority of people who buy manga to -- the average joes who buy their expensive items like all the other average joes. I wouldn't necessarily call "Otaku" average joes.

Why don't you try Rightstuf, CDJapan, etc.? Amazon Japan?

You can find manga in English for under $10, even $5 if you actually look, you know.

Adding to what someone else mentioned -- you do sound like an elitist, somewhat.


My primary language is Korean, secondary is English and Japanese is tertiary.
I buy manga in my mother language for like $5.50 ea with free shipping for over $50.

Only ones I buy here are the ones I have already started collecting: Mayo Chiki, Omamori Himari, and Certain Scientific Railgun
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FkYouBish wrote:

My primary language is Korean, secondary is English and Japanese is tertiary.
I buy manga in my mother language for like $5.50 ea with free shipping for over $50.

Only ones I buy here are the ones I have already started collecting: Mayo Chiki, Omamori Himari, and Certain Scientific Railgun


Alright, and?

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Posted 4/18/14

Shrapnel893 wrote:

Adding to what someone else mentioned -- you do sound like an elitist, somewhat.


I'll admit, I do have problems with some of the people who only watch mainstream because of their attitudes (hating on certain genres)

And about buying Korean books, my point is that there's no reason for me to buy North American versions because I can get it cheaper and faster from Korea.
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Posted 4/18/14 , edited 4/18/14

FkYouBish wrote:


Shrapnel893 wrote:

Adding to what someone else mentioned -- you do sound like an elitist, somewhat.


I'll admit, I do have problems with some of the people who only watch mainstream because of their attitudes (hating on certain genres)

And about buying Korean books, my point is that there's no reason for me to buy North American versions because I can get it cheaper and faster from Korea.


I get you. I sometimes import from Japan, but only if I really like a series, such as Koimoku (I only got Koimoku because I really wanted a work written by Lim Dall-Young that wouldn't add up to over $100, at the time not knowing of Black God). Import prices deter me from buying in large quantities. So, I chose what I want wisely. As for the mainstream anime fans -- let them be, they aren't doing you any harm specifically, right? I mean, unless they come at you with spiked bats, then uhhh...

As for what I own, they are:

English: Gantz, Gunslinger Girl, Attack on Titan, Mardock Scramble, Flowers of Evil, Battle Angel Alita (or Gunnm, whichever), Evangelion, Haganai, FLCL, 5 Centimeters Per Second.

French: Freezing

Japanese: Koimoku

Out of those (the English titles, mind you), I would say only a few are really, truly, mainstream -- at least in the sense you're referring to. Also, I got the majority of them for $7 (as in, individual volumes). The only truly expensive titles were, obviously, the two imports, and Battle Angel Alita because the original is out of print.

Also, before I forget... I found this in one of the anime threads:


FkYouBish wrote:

People who hate on haram & moe, don't call yourselves otakus. Go watch some mainstream ass animes you like


That's just rude. I'll admit, yes I generally dislike harem and moe. Yet I watch a hell of a ton more than "mainstream" anime (and this includes manga). So do many others. I have lost respect, good sir.

I felt I had to post this here instead of there.
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Thanks Obama
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For anime in North America. If you're someone who only collects anime then you're lucky, because it's much and I mean MUCH cheaper than Japan. A simple comparison for One Piece DVD's, a set of 24-26 episodes is priced at $20 in North America while in Japan it's around $50 for 3 episodes. That's why anime series (especially long running ones) don't sell that much. They mostly depend on TV ratings.

About Nisekoi, the latest volume released is volume 7. With Nisekoi, VIZ wanted to see if there's enough demand for it. They released the volumes digitally first, then they saw the fan demand and they started releasing print versions. They are doing the same for One-Punch Man. They've released the first 2 volumes already. If there's enough fan demand (which I'm sure there is looking at how the digital volumes are selling) they will release print versions.

For most manga that I follow, there is around a year difference between the Japanese release and the English release. Here's a quote from the One Piece manga translator in response to why VIZ doesn't speed up the releases:


The problem is that you can't actually turn it around in 2-3 months, it's more like a 4-5 minimum. Viz was able to churn out volumes for their speed-up, because they were behind by many many volumes, so as long as they threw enough manpower at them, it was possible to do in a shortened schedule, because the finished books were already available to work from. The reason you can't do that with brand new volumes is that you can't even start until the volume is released in Japan and you have the finalized prints, cover, etc. Even though I have completed scripts for the chapters already, there's revision work to fix errors/inconsistencies, I have to check for altered dialogue, translate the SBS, and so on. THEN the letterer has to manually redraw all the SFX which is a huge task even with modern tools, and then there's the printing stage, which has its own schedule since unlike Shueisha, Viz is a minor publisher that doesn't own printing plants so they are subject to the circumstances of the printers.

Like I said, the schedule isn't super tight, we're not working on the latest volume from the word go, but that leaves us some wiggle room so it's not so hectic, is less likely to result in big mistakes, and so on.

I guess it all comes down to what's popular.

As to why I buy manga volumes. Main reason: support the series that I love. The authors sometimes make corrections for the volume version. I also like to re-read the series that I love. A lot of the manga that I follow have official simultaneous releases with Japan. English Shonen Jump, and CR have many of my favorites so I can read them weekly or monthly for some.
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The manga I buy depend if I can buy it locally and if i really want to collect the series. I keep buying Hayate no Gotoku in a store in Manhattan, NY, since i want to support it and currently have half of the series since I cant afford to buy lots of manga all that once and sometime buy TWGOK manga in Japanese.(which is cheaper than translated manga) I always look for what manga I want or might want to buy knowing I can prolly get them in a different way or by internet. Point is that people will do they can and want to get their manga or read it online, either way, wish some stuff release faster here or actually be translated here but I will deal with it for now.
(and thank for the cdjapan site, been hoping to stumble across a site to buy some jp songs)
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As long as America is treated as a fringe market, we're going to get poor selection at premium prices. This isn't new, and not likely to change any time soon. Japan knows there's a market over here that wants this stuff, but they don't want to address the current problems of anime/manga distribution domestically much less in foreign markets.

Then there's the content issue. At some point, there's absolutely going to be a witch hunt in America on anime and manga. Frankly I'm surprised it hasn't already begun, but it'll happen. That's why I don't mind so much of it flying under the radar. I support licensed stuff by buying the titles I especially like, and don't lose sleep over the stuff I view online. I doubt any distributors in Japan are losing sleep either.

Actually, what I would love is one of the actual license buyers from Crunchyroll to start a blog on what the situation really is over there.
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The hurt over the prices of translated manga are never going away, seeing as manga distribution and marketing follows that of comic books. As long as people can charge what they charge for a flimsy 20-30pg comic book (I was paying $3 for Top Cow and Dark Horse titles back at the turn of the millennium), they can charge double or more the base price for a tank. I instantly stopped buying Dark Horse's translations of Blade of the Immortal pretty quickly since it cost so much scratch.

If you are looking for reading material, I suggest you go in the way-back machine and buy and read older titles from used book stores. I would suggest loading up on Kazuo Koike's works since they are awesome and substantial and essential. It's important to read the classics anyway. If you have not read Tezuka Osamu and Kazuo Koike, you probably haven't read enough manga or the right manga. It's like loving animation but not knowing the works of Chuck Jones and Tex Avery.

If you want new titles, your going to have to deal with dirtying your soul reading illegal scanlations or learning Japanese and buying your manga through Kinokuniya or CDJapan or going to a Book Off location (not that there are many stateside). I'd suggest the second option. I like stumbling through Kinokuniya and picking off random titles. It's worked well for me, with titles like Hi Score Girl and Kuroko-chi.

Good luck shopping for titles.

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Posted 4/19/14 , edited 4/19/14

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well i could complain all day long but i'm pretty sure it ain't gonna do nobody any good


It won't do ANYBODY any good.* How dare you butcher the English language.
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For anime in North America. If you're someone who only collects anime then you're lucky, because it's much and I mean MUCH cheaper than Japan. A simple comparison for One Piece DVD's, a set of 24-26 episodes is priced at $20 in North America while in Japan it's around $50 for 3 episodes. That's why anime series (especially long running ones) don't sell that much. They mostly depend on TV ratings.

About Nisekoi, the latest volume released is volume 7. With Nisekoi, VIZ wanted to see if there's enough demand for it. They released the volumes digitally first, then they saw the fan demand and they started releasing print versions. They are doing the same for One-Punch Man. They've released the first 2 volumes already. If there's enough fan demand (which I'm sure there is looking at how the digital volumes are selling) they will release print versions.


The retail price for an anime season (12 or 13 episodes) is $50~60 in US, depending on what it is. That price is possible for One Piece because it is mainstream

And by Volume 6, you mean the e-book. I prefer printed copies because I can show them off to my friends and stuff. People can torrent e-books and stuff but they can't torrent printed copies
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FkYouBish wrote:


viva_cmpunker wrote:

For anime in North America. If you're someone who only collects anime then you're lucky, because it's much and I mean MUCH cheaper than Japan. A simple comparison for One Piece DVD's, a set of 24-26 episodes is priced at $20 in North America while in Japan it's around $50 for 3 episodes. That's why anime series (especially long running ones) don't sell that much. They mostly depend on TV ratings.

About Nisekoi, the latest volume released is volume 7. With Nisekoi, VIZ wanted to see if there's enough demand for it. They released the volumes digitally first, then they saw the fan demand and they started releasing print versions. They are doing the same for One-Punch Man. They've released the first 2 volumes already. If there's enough fan demand (which I'm sure there is looking at how the digital volumes are selling) they will release print versions.


The retail price for an anime season (12 or 13 episodes) is $50~60 in US, depending on what it is. That price is possible for One Piece because it is mainstream

And by Volume 6, you mean the e-book. I prefer printed copies because I can show them off to my friends and stuff. People can torrent e-books and stuff but they can't torrent printed copies

Really who looks at the retail price nowadays? Most if not all people buy them from online shopping sites. Even if you look at the retail price, same price as japan for 4 times the amount of episodes is still a great deal.

No. People will torrent/download the unofficial translations that are translated by fans, not the official English ones. You said for Nisekoi they are way behind the Japanese releases. Technically they're about a year behind which is the normal period as I stated before. I for one prefer digital over print. For starters, I don't have to carry a large amount of books with me to read manga when I travel. I can just have my iPad and read everything I buy. Secondly, I can see all the details. In the print version, some of the details of double page spreads are lost in the crease. In the digital version, I can just hold the iPad sideways and see the full double page spread without losing the details in the middle.
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I read your post, and I must say that, as someone who has been buying manga since 2001 or 2002, I actually only have one complaint. Mid-series cancellations. I have actually gone to only buying a small amount of stuff that is either already done. I loved Gintama, and bought the first two volumes. I slacked off buying though since I was watching the anime at the time. Low and behold, Viz cancelled it at vol. 19 I believe. Now, I have two, lonely volumes sitting there, knowing that I can never complete the series.

I understand though. Sadly, my complaint and your complaints are the unfortunate reality of publishing in North America. Like I said, I started buying in the Manga heyday, where you would walk into Borders, jump over the "manga-cows", and find them stocked full. I remember when ADV manga released Azumanga Daioh Vol.1, and Borders had six copies in stock when I got there. As I got mine, other people came up and bought a few too. Stuff sold really well back then.

Yet now, we have a poor economy. Despite what anyone says, it's stagnant. We have had a ton of brick & mortar bookstore close, limiting the places people can physically buy manga at. E-books are so commonly accepted now, that many people have gone 100% to that format. Sadly, publishing in 2014 is risky and expensive. Obviously, manga still sells, otherwise the publishers that are there wouldn't be there. However, manga not only has to get an audience, but it has to be translated. While "Hokage's Sick Scanzlationz" can come out nearly instantly with the Japanese release, a publisher has to make sure that the text is readable, and free of typos. That can take a while.

As for price, I remember complaining about that too when I was younger. Unfortunately, that's how things are probably going to stay. After licensing costs (which can be seriously jacked up for our market), the translator and staff fees (somebody has to fix the translation, and then actually work the text back in), and then the publishing costs, along with the other risks that have to be accounted for (unsold stock returns) the price will inevitably increase. While South Korea has to do that stuff too, I figure their licensing fess are some what less since they have a smaller population.

Unfortunately, for someone who likes manga, and likes collecting manga, I can only say that it's best to just learn Japanese. I thought it would be daunting, but I've taken two semesters of it now and it wasn't actually all that hard. I can at least make out what is being said in a typical shonen manga. Only problem with importing is of course, the exchange rate. Other than that, go to TRSI and wait for a publisher sale in the case of English translated manga.
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