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Is God real?
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What do you think?

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Logically, I don't know either way. Practically, the atheists make a more compelling point. The only way to know something exists is to have evidence of it to be able to confirm it. The observable kind of evidence.

This doesn't justify the conclusion that something doesn't exist, but you know, it gets hard to hold the belief something exists when there's no proof to be had.
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No one knows when U die, U could go to heaven or H-E-L-L
or maybe be reborn You'll have to die yourself to find out.
but my real answer is I don't know
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No one can know for sure. But as I have yet to see any compelling evidence for its existence, I'm gonna say -- most likely not.
And if there exists some entity out there that could be described as a "god", it doesn't seem to be very interested in interacting with us or alerting us to its existence...
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I think there's no point in wondering that, you'll never know for sure. Just live your life without worrying about it.
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No, definitely not in the classical sense. God, the "being", is one of the many chimeras born out of our ignorance of this natural world and our fear of death. Any existence based on faith isn't existence.

The closest God we have is gravity. Understand gravity, and you understand God.
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doge is god
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FlyinDumpling wrote:

What do you think?

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Well, one cannot prove or disprove God's existence. Scientifically it seems unlikely. After all the simplest explanations are often the correct one and God not existing is a far simpler explanation than God actually existing. That said, science cannot also disprove the existence of God and negative evidence is not conclusive.

But if the God of the Bible did exist then I would expect us not to be able to scientifically prove God's existence at this point. One central tenet of Christianity is that one must have faith. Proof denies faith. When we can absolutely prove something, then it does not require faith. We can prove why an airplane stays in the air. We can scientifically prove how thrust to power ratio's work, how the principles of air pressure work with a wing design to keep an aircraft in the air. We can even apply that and know how to create an aircraft that will work in say Jupiter's atmosphere because the principles of physics remain the same. Flying does not require faith. It is proven.

But belief in a God? That requires faith. Ironically I would argue that Creationism itself in it's attempt to "prove" the truth in the Bible and hence God's existence is in fact working contrary to faith and Christianity because it seeks proof. God's existence should defy proof as we know it currently. Christians must have faith in God's existence. We are helped through things like miracles and even visions and prophets. However, none of that can really be proven to explain the existence of God. Because all of those could happen in other ways. We must have faith that it was not LSD that caused a hallucination, but rather God who gave that person a vision.

Ultimately it is up to each person to choose their path. The words of scripture are simply a guide, not some sort of iron bound rule book. I tend to roll my eyes when I see people quoting scripture like it is the Word of God. Because it is not. It is the words of a human who may have been shown a vision, but it is still interpreted by that person. Show 10 people an image and you will get 10 different interpretations of that image, not all of them may be what was originally intended. They are useful of course, and should be taken seriously by a Christian, but it is not the end all or be all of Christianity. Indeed the bible itself contradicts itself. The Old Testament is one of fire and brimstone, a very unforgiving God. God does show mercy on occasion, but does not generally forgive. This is the same God that did not forgive humanity Adam and Eve's transgressions until the New Testament. And yet after that, it is all forgiveness and grace.

So really the Bible itself takes some interpreting and understanding itself. When one cherry picks like many evangelicals and conservatives that is usually when problems arise. Of course, that is not limited especially to any group. Catholicism is just as guilty of going through liberal and conservative phases itself. And even when it is going through a decent phase, it does all depend on each diocese as to whether or not the new teachings are handed down or if they are going to stonewall.

This all said, I do not know if it matters if God exists or not for even religion to exist. Does it matter if the object of your faith exists or not? When one does good deeds, does it matter if it somehow is counted towards your chances of Heaven or an afterlife or if it is all meaningless in the vast nothingness of the universe? I think we should be doing good regardless. Whether God exists or not I choose to believe and I have faith. It is not blind faith, I do not sit down and justify killing abortion doctors because somehow that is a "justified" killing as opposed to another type of killing. And I do good because it is the right thing to do. Not because I may necessarily get anything out of it. If I spend my life doing good deeds, donating to charity and not living the sort of high life I could have if I had been selfish and I find out on my deathbed that this was it and there is nothing beyond, I would still count my life as worthwhile and would be satisfied. Perhaps it is even more worthwhile because if there is nothing else out there, if this is it, then it seems to me even more imperative to give people hope today and make other people's lives better because if this is all we have then it is all they have as well and we need to do what we can for as many as we can.

Otherwise, what was the point of it all?
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I believe He is real!
Can it be proved? I don't know... maybe...
From my personal experience I feel He exists, like an intuition. Also while I pray, a thought suddenly appears in my mind, sometimes as a solution to a problem. The thought, the idea, was so intelligent that I'm sure it couldn't be mine.
Another strong personal evidence I have is my mother's dreams. A few times she has dreams that she knows that was God who sent them, telling about the future. She tells me the dream and the prediction really happens! But it bothers me why He only gives her the dreams and not to me too or everyone else.

In the science field, some say that God existence can be proved through the intelligent design, which is not supported by the majority of the scientists, who tend to believe in the evolution theory. Some reconcile both beliefs, what is known as the theistic evolution.

Think about the process of breastfeeding of a baby. It's known that it's the healthiest form to feed the baby untill at least its first six months of life. It gives the baby all nutrients it needs, helps to prevent diseases and have other long term health effects. So it can be asked: how such feature could appear in nature only through luck and the natural selection? Don't it need some planning and intelligence behind it? How a new form of live that appeared through mutation (the mother) have such a feature that helps so perfectly something that doesn't even exists yet (the baby), at the time of the mutation. The milk isn't for her to drink and its formula is the most perfect thing in the whole earth for the baby!

Other theory is related to the string theory, in physics, which predicts the existence of more than 4 dimensions. So some say God could be at this extra dimensions we can't see.

It's worth to take a look at the flaws of evolution theory, like the contradiction between “punctuated equilibrium” and “gradualism", the problem in projecting “microevolution” into “macroevolution" and the fact that mutations do not increase information, as required by evolution.

"Generally speaking, it’s accurate to say that science has yet to provide
consistent answers to how evolution operates at the molecular, genetic, or
even ecological levels in a consistent and supportable way."

Some say that all started only through caos and it can be proved by Big
bang and evolution theories. If someone decides not to believe in it,
doesn't make it any less true. I believe the other way around is also
true. So you have to decide to have faith in Big Bang and evolution too.
Science is always changing. Something that is held as true today, may not be tomorrow. Especially in the case of Theories which are not yet Laws in science. So, somewhere, faith is there too.

Sorry for the extent text, but it's a complex subject! All I know and think is here that I remember
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I have faith that god does not exist.
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FlyinDumpling wrote:
I have faith that god does not exist.


That is not faith. That is a belief.

Faith assumes the existence of something. You cannot have faith in something that you know does not exist. You can, however, believe something does not exist.

So really, one cannot have faith in something you know does not exist. Proof denies faith. By denying the existence of God you are denying faith by definition.

I applaud your belief and wish you well in it. But it is not faith.

Unless you want to call Atheism a religion. Which I have no issues with. In which case one can have faith in the tenets of that religion which is primarily the non-existence of a God. But to do so you are still involved in a religion. So I really do not know what one has gained.
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It's a nice thought, but I personally don't believe. If he\she were real than the world wouldn't be as messed up as it is now. I'm sure if he\she existed they would show us signs or an approach proving their existence.
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An irrelevant question.
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Through the resurrection of Jesus Christ I believe in the reality of God made manifest in his person.
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Maybe, it all depends on oneself and there really is no strict answer to this. I don't think it can really fundamentally be proven either way with 'concrete' evidence that all can see/acknowledge, I guess you will figure it out once you are dead.
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