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Kuroshitsuji (Black Butler) Manga WARNING SPOILERS
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Posted 4/18/14 , edited 4/18/14
I recently was looking on the forum looking to discuss the latest Kuroshitsjui story arc, but I couldn't find any recent talks about it on the forum, so I desiced to start one!

I my self, am super excited for the circus arc in summer, but for now I want to talk about current arc



Current story in manga happening now (not all details just the important stuff)


Can't wait to find out what happens next, and just curious what everyone thinks about what has happened so far, and what do you think will happen now
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yup i like the new arc, the fact the even Sebastian was affected makes it very interesting ^^ and then him pushing away Sebastian... that's nice to see too

though like with every monthly manga, i forget what had happened each time a new chapter
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yup i like the new arc, the fact the even Sebastian was affected makes it very interesting ^^ and then him pushing away Sebastian... that's nice to see too

though like with every monthly manga, i forget what had happened each time a new chapter


I know, was too interested in that too, Sebastian being affected by the curse makes it more interesting and man I was like when Ciel pushed Sebastian away. Hehe I understand forgetting stuff but... I may have got a little hooked, cause like I read the entire arc like 3 times now, and the last 2 chapters several more times
Posted 4/18/14 , edited 4/18/14
I like that we're getting more information on what went on during Ciel's captivity. The last time I recall hearing much of it was during the Noah's Ark Circus Arc. I strongly suspect that Alois from the second season of the anime and his past is meant as a strong reference to the horrors that Ciel faced in the manga.
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I found the part where Master Sullivan comes on to Ciel hilarious. MInd you, I read this while I am on the bus. That said, I think sebastian agreeing to be her butler so easily was a bit odd. I suspect she's behind everything but I don't want to think so. Anyhow, dying to read the next chapters.
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I found the part where Master Sullivan comes on to Ciel hilarious. MInd you, I read this while I am on the bus. That said, I think sebastian agreeing to be her butler so easily was a bit odd. I suspect she's behind everything but I don't want to think so. Anyhow, dying to read the next chapters.



I agree I found that seen with Sullivan like really funny but I was also like wow XD, interesting theory you have there, I like it, my theory is that she doesn't have much power left of being the witch, and that the butler is also a werewolf, and is protecting Sullivan from this unknown werewolf for some reason, probably like she was little and wasn't scared of him or something.

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I like that we're getting more information on what went on during Ciel's captivity. The last time I recall hearing much of it was during the Noah's Ark Circus Arc. I strongly suspect that Alois from the second season of the anime and his past is meant as a strong reference to the horrors that Ciel faced in the manga.


I agree, I like learning more info about Ciel, it is sad, but good story. I know, the Noah's arc circus story told us so much. I also liked on that zombie titanic arc, as I call it, that we saw Lizzy kick but, and also see how Ciel was suddenly remembering when Sebastian killed all the people that held him captive. I like your theories, ya I am afraid I didn't watch black butler ll but I probably will soon. but interesting, I keep hoping we will have pluto from the anime show up, he wasn't my favorite but he was a funny edition to the house.
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what do you guys make of the not-so-subtle BL undertones?
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Lol well it always been there but I never really got into the bl thing I like it there, ok move on lol
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what do you guys make of the not-so-subtle BL undertones?


I assume that it's Yana Toboso screwing around and teasing the fan base. I'm not at all bothered, and even treat them as running gags. I believe that she has a devilish sense of humor, especially given her "self portraits."

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But man waiting these few days for the new chapter is like
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i feel the same, there was really only one scene that i was a little bothered by, when Ciel was stripped naked and tied up... yeah that was weird. But other than that I just shrug it off, this isn't really that type of manga.

although did you guys know that the mangaka is a smut yaoi artist who includes shotas in her stuff ? so she's probably catering to her own fujoshi needs as well as her fanbase lol
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Ya, that bugged me some too, and ya I can get over it though because it an awesome manga, and no I didn't that interesting
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Sogno- wrote:

what do you guys make of the not-so-subtle BL undertones?


It's just fujoshi fan girl fan service.... It usually just makes my jaw drop, and then I LMFAO.

I prefer Grell/Grelle's dirty lines (to and about Sebastian, and also about the maiden voyage of the Campania). Maybe because:
1. He's an adult
2. It's more about puns than sight gags (though the sight gags are also funny)
3. It makes other characters (particularly Sebastian) very uncomfortable....
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SPOILER ALERTS ABOUND!!!!

I'm not sure where else to post this, so I'll do it here....

I have made a revelation!!

Not sure if anyone has really been discussing this yet. There's been so much talk about Cloudia/Claudia P. (definitely Phantomhive) and Alex B. (possibly Bravat), two of Undertaker's mourning lockets. However, has anyone been trying to figure out Gilbert D., who died March 1, 1885?

Well, I'm here to say I've figured that one out.... I'm pretty sure about it.

Consider the following facts:
1. Mary Jane Kelly, the last victim of Jack the Ripper (aka "Madam Red" and Grell Sutcliff), lived from 1863 to 1888. We know this from the gravestone that Ciel bought and Undertaker erected at a grave for her.

2. Thanks to Grell, Madam Red (Angelina Durless/Dalles-Burnett, Rachel Phantomhive's sister) also died that night in 1888.

3. Ciel's parents died three years before that, in December of 1885.

Lau and Madam Red commented that Ciel had shown up back at the manor just two years ago, with that odd butler at his heels, so that would have been 1886, several months after the fire.

4. The night of the fire at the manor, Angelina had shown up for a visit, and she witnessed the manor going down in flames. The death date for Vincent Phantomhive is December 14, 1885, so we can assume (for now! ) that that's also the day of the fire. Angelina had finally just recently recovered (physically, at least) from the carriage crash that took her husband and, ultimately, her unborn child (that we never knew the sex of)... sometime earlier that year.

5. The 6th (next to last, from left to right) mourning locket on Undertaker's chain is dated March 1, 1885 for Gilbert D. It's not Angelina's dead husband, who is known only (so far) as Baron Burnett. Take note that Angelina retained her maiden name by hyphenating it with her husband's surname.... This suggests that their child might also have been named Dalles-Burnett/Durless-Burnet.

6. The locket has a cross on it but nothing resembling hair. Possibly, hair was not available. Babies are often born essentially hairless. An unborn child is unlikely to have hair at all, and Undertaker might not have had access to the corpse anyway.

7. The locket also has flowers, and we all know the Victorians were big on flower symbolism. In this case, they look remarkably like baby's breath, don't they? The symbol of innocence and everlasting love.



8. We already know that Undertaker has some serious involvement in the Phantomhive family. It's been proposed, and I agree, that he's an ancestor of Ciel (but this is just conjecture). It's easy to widen it to other family lines closely related to it, by blood or even by marriage.

9. These lockets need to be for special people... with special deaths. Otherwise, why go to all the trouble to work out the death dates, names, and designs of each locket in such detail?



10. The death of an unborn child, particularly due to this sort of event, is a tragedy. It would make sense for Undertaker to place special meaning on the death of an innocent, unborn child. He says to hold every soul dear, after all. What is more dear than a baby?

I strongly believe that Gilbert D. is Angelina Durless/Dalles-Burnett's unborn child.
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