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We Need More Space Operas
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Posted 4/22/14

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You ever see Legend of the Galactic Heroes? That's a classic space opera.


LotGH is one of the best Space Operas in anime, or outside it. Further, Space Operas do have romance. It is an integral part of what makes up a Space Opera.

And while I'm normally an unabashed fan of Gundams, I don't think that Gundams fit the Space Opera definition. ("Space opera is a subgenre of science fiction that often emphasizes romantic, often melodramatic adventure, set mainly or entirely in outer space, usually involving conflict between opponents possessing advanced abilities, weapons and other technology." or "A space opera is a work set in a far future space faring civilization, where the technology is ubiquitous and entirely secondary to the story. It has an epic character to it: The universe is big, there are lots of sprawling civilizations and empires, there are political conflicts and intrigues galore. Frequently it takes place in [a] Standard Sci Fi Setting. In perspective, it is a development of the Planetary Romance that looks beyond the exotic locations that were imagined for the local solar system in early science fiction (which the hard light of science revealed to be barren and lifeless) out into an infinite universe of imagined exotic locations.")

They usually aren't focused on the exploration/extra-solar. While Gundam does have the political and romantic aspects (usually secondary), they don't focus on the whole outer space outside of the orbit of Earth, or at farthest, Jupiter. (Zanscarian Empire/Paptimus Scirocco, also, excepting 00.)

I don't think that any media outside of books really has a lot of Space Opera. For some reason, there just aren't many shows or movies.


The type of romance I was specifically complaining about however was the type that has become cliched to hell in anime. Nisekoi, Infinite Stratos, Magical Warfare, even Valvrave had it, what Valvrave did though was take it and turn it into a snuff film / porno. Basically a romance that rather than meshing with the worldview decides to sort of use it as a replacement for a stage. Sword Art Online probably was the best example. SAO kept verbally emphasizing the 'death game' however 90% of it was cheesy teen romance.

I just started watching LoTGH , i watched the first movie am currently watching the second. I obviously see the romance love triangle between Yang, Jessica, and Jean Robert (If Jean Robert dies I wouldn't be surprised at all, he is friggin tripping death flags left and right) however it is just a small part of the story. Reinhardt wants to give his sister some freedom and gain enough power to conquer the galaxy, he has a strong friendship with the red-haired fellow and a rivalry with Yang. There are so many non romantic-love things going on, the romantic love is only one piece of the puzzle. I like this balance, this balance is good.

I consider romantic love in media like a condiment, ketchup, mustard, salt or pepper. It's a great way to spice up your food, but if you add too much then it just ruins the taste.
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Posted 4/22/14

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I would LOVE more Space Operas! A vastly under-rated genre that hasn't been cliched to death yet!

The very first (or acknowledged as the first) is Macross!

Surprised no one has mentioned that yet!



I would have mentioned Macross, but it falls into the "awkward boy meets girl" trope that xxJing mentioned earlier, which is why I didn't.


Macross is okay, it has plenty of characters and situations in it. Hikaru x Misa x Minmei doesn't overwhelm the rest of the story.

Macross 7's love triangle is almost not existent. Soldier Guy -> Max's Daughter -> Basara -> Music. It's kind of hard to have a love triangle when the main character is not interested at all.

Macross Plus' one was really adult, so it doesn't get into the teenager trope.

Macross II from what I remember was rather adult too.

Macross Zero's love triangle was sort of like a secondary issue.

Macross Frontier, yeah this is the one that has the cheesy awkward boy meets girl thing taking up 90% of the screen time.

It really just seems to be the fad. This seems to be the twilight generation, which makes me really sad.
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xxJing wrote:
I consider romantic love in media like a condiment, ketchup, mustard, salt or pepper. It's a great way to spice up your food, but if you add too much then it just ruins the taste.


1: I like your location, and I hope you get my avatar/status as a result. It is some deep Star Wars reference.

2: I understand what you're saying. I just wanted to make sure that everyone knew that Space Opera does have romance in it. Star Wars, Isaac Asimov, CS Lewis's Space Trilogy, Macross, LotGH, et al, have romance.

3: I don't think that Space Opera is a big push at the moment. I think we'll see more of it when Star Wars Episode VII is released. A lot of these things are cyclical, and are pressed out in waves. A lot of good Space Operas came out in the '80's and '90's, and were Star Wars-y in many cases. But for a show you might not have seen, you might want to try Armored Trooper VOTOMS.
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What about Gunbuster and Diebuster? Just throwing those out there (whenever I came, it seems) ...
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Posted 4/22/14

xxJing wrote:
Would you consider Irresponsible Captain Tyler a Space Opera? It was highly comedic but at the same time it also had a similar feeling.


I think Tylor fits since it has all the main elements of one. It just plays those more for comedy than a serious story. It's a very funny show with a great cast of characters.
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Posted 4/22/14 , edited 4/22/14

MrJade wrote:


xxJing wrote:
I consider romantic love in media like a condiment, ketchup, mustard, salt or pepper. It's a great way to spice up your food, but if you add too much then it just ruins the taste.


1: I like your location, and I hope you get my avatar/status as a result. It is some deep Star Wars reference.

2: I understand what you're saying. I just wanted to make sure that everyone knew that Space Opera does have romance in it. Star Wars, Isaac Asimov, CS Lewis's Space Trilogy, Macross, LotGH, et al, have romance.

3: I don't think that Space Opera is a big push at the moment. I think we'll see more of it when Star Wars Episode VII is released. A lot of these things are cyclical, and are pressed out in waves. A lot of good Space Operas came out in the '80's and '90's, and were Star Wars-y in many cases. But for a show you might not have seen, you might want to try Armored Trooper VOTOMS.


Is it Leah's father? I am pretty much just a passing Star Wars fan, I've seen the movies, I've played quite a few of the games, but that is more or less it. The most I know about Alderaan is what was in SWTOR and that the Death Star destroyed it at the beginning of A New Hope.

It was supposed to be kind of a joke though, basically I put a Planet that was destroyed as my location.

Also I don't think I like this cycle, whether it be Anime or American TV just about everything seems to be going to the flashy and impulsive side of the creative spectrum. I may just be an old man who doesn't understand this generation anymore, even though I am only 28, but even when I watch things like Tiny Toons or Animaniacs compared to some of today's Cartoons it sort of seems more like the writers were trying to be witty and have fun. Don't get me wrong there were plenty of stupid 80's and 90's shows, it just kind of seems like today's stuff seems more formulated to please a certain demographic as a whole, rather than simply trying to be generally entertaining. How can I put it, it sort of seems like earlier no one knew what they were doing so they just did what they thought was interesting and hoped it sold, while now it seems more like people have an idea of what might sell so they cater their products to that standard at the risk of losing originality and individuality.
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God I miss crest/banner of the stars.
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Good to here about Legend great anime "LONG LIVE THE KAISER, SIEG HEIL!".
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Well I am really enjoying LotGH but I wonder how they will remake this. I forgive it because it is an 80's anime but the way the plot progresses is really convenient at times. The battles tend to go :

Smart Officer : We should do this!
Stupid Commander : No! We do that!
Loss

It's a super predictable anime on a short scale. Again it's enjoyable, and it's old so I forgive it, but there is a crap load to nitpick about.
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Posted 4/23/14

xxJing wrote:


Irybell wrote:

You ever see Legend of the Galactic Heroes? That's a classic space opera.
Also they're supposed to be starting on a remake of that this summer.


I started watching it, wow yeah definitely Space Opera, even filled with classical music.

Would you consider Irresponsible Captain Tyler a Space Opera? It was highly comedic but at the same time it also had a similar feeling.


I think you could consider Captain Tyler a Space Opera.
Outlaw Star had a lot of comedy and so did Cowboy Bebop so I don't think being a comedy is disqualification for that genre.
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Yeah so, LotGH is like the most awesome anime I have ever seen. I honestly don't know what I like more this, Hunter x Hunter, or FMA. It's extremely difficult to choose.

Definitely blows Gundam or Macross out of the water though. Like I said, has a lot of small things here and there I can nitpick about, but over all the story is just so engaging and entertaining. It's like Code Geass, if you removed the melodrama.
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Heroic Age!


Heroic Age is great!!! Another interesting space opera anime would be infinite ryvius! Im sure if anyone here has seen it they would agree that would definitely qualify! But as previously mentioned to bad most are based around high school/everday life we do need another good space opera! Anyone know if/when the next gundam will be created?
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Posted 4/24/14

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waverat81 wrote:

Heroic Age!


Heroic Age is great!!! Another interesting space opera anime would be infinite ryvius! Im sure if anyone here has seen it they would agree that would definitely qualify! But as previously mentioned to bad most are based around high school/everday life we do need another good space opera! Anyone know if/when the next gundam will be created?


Infinite Ryvius was great. It definitely was highschool, but not like romcom highschool, more like Lord of the Flies in Space.

Gundam Build Fighters just finished, so not until the fall at the earliest.
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i personally liked Bodacious Space Pirates if you haven't watched i highly recommend it
its about a high school girl becoming a space pirate its very well done and not rushed, the battle scenes are amazing
you can watch it here on Crunchyroll

also a movie for the show came out that's a sequel to the first season i hope they make season 2 there is defiantly enough material from the light novels

well i would rate it a 9.5 i loved it and hope more space type anime come out
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xxJing wrote:

Gundam Build Fighters just finished, so not until the fall at the earliest.

That reminds me that I should go watch GBF while it is still available on the GundamInfo channel.

The reason I say "still available", is that while Gundam AGE was finally made available for the US, it since appears to have been pulled altogether. (Thankfully, I completed all but episode 4, which apparently in error was never made available for the US, and was what I was checking on when I discovered this).

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