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Post Reply Jesus dying on the cross cannot be the most painful form of death....
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What was/is more painful than the cross to Him was this evil world rejecting Him even till this day
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Why say that with a smiley face?
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Aimpie wrote:

http://gods411.blogspot.com/2013/04/how-jesus-dies-for-you.html

I'm raised catholic but I can't make myself believe that Jesus suffered as much as they say he did, on the cross and before his death. I don't for a second believe he suffered more than everyone in the world. Prove me wrong?

(He was never raped, forced to give birth to the child conceived in rape, betrayed by his own mother and father and stoned to death by them as a result of rape that he was blamed for etc, he never starved, was sold as a sex slave, abused and hated by his own parents, he never had periods and never gave birth and never gave birth to a still born, I can think of a million things worse than what he went through and I think it's disrespectful to say that he suffered more and to tell people who have gone through worse that their pain is immeasurable to that of Jesus, because I don't think Jesus suffered more than so many people have and do suffer everyday. Even animals suffer more. I've been blessed that I haven't suffered so much, but to say there isn't worse to life than being betrayed by a friend and by strangers and dying on the cross? I think that's ridiculous. And disrespectful to the people who face real pain everyday. There are many things much worse than what he went through.)

Anyways, please prove me wrong, I'm open minded.


If you wondering what the most painful death is and the quickest death is, is death by fire. Being burn alive should be the most painful thing any human has to go through, but it only last for a few seconds because the fire is burning away your nerves.
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There was this Chinese torture method where they would tie there target over a sprouting bamboo plant and leave them there until it grew
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There is no such thing as the most painful form of death. Let me see if I can explain. If say someone dies in a way that is just horrible and sounds very painful, lets say drowning. If that person is dead we sure can't ask him/her what is was like to drown, that person is DEAD! We can only assume how painful it would be. Sure we can look up research that was done about it or maybe ask someone that almost died by drowning, but that really wouldn't help. Plus pain is very subjective.

As for Jesus being crucified, it was definitely painful. But we will never know just how painful and what the most painful form of death is.

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Someone talking about shit online, saying there are more painful things. Like who the duck cares? If Jesus's death the most gruesome, painful, agonizing death, then would that give you Jesus respect? Oh oh, because to truly become a hero, you must feel pain more than others? Dude, lay off those action drama animes. Fucking poser, if you don't like that fact, don't complain about it.
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It's about symbolism.
Of course there are a million worse ways to die, but the meaning of his death is what it counts.

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Posted 4/29/15
Not sure if this has been touched upon, but from a theological perspective, the "physical" pain was only a very small portion of the crucifixion.

Essentially (forgive me if i'm off, as I haven't delved into theology for years now), Christ took on the sins of the world as a sacrifice of atonement. If you think of every evil act as deserving some form of punishment, multiply that by how many evil acts a person has committed, and multiply that by how many people there are in the world across history, and condense that into the punishment inflicted on a single person ~ that corresponds to the spiritual suffering which was inflicted upon Christ on the cross. The point was never really about the physical pain (though, that is a very important aspect of it).

Combine this with the fact he was separated from the Father on the cross - meaning that for a brief period of time, he was the only person in history to be literally "God-forsaken".

Combine this as well with his humiliation. Recall that those who crucified him were his own people whom he loved. It would be the equivalent of coming home and having your own children string you up and kill you.

I don't really think the whole "most painful death" is meant in a particularly physical sense. Nor do I think it's that important to the theology of the crucifixion as much as his separation from the Father is.

There is a tendency to use this as a form of comfort for some though. The fact that God himself has felt pain is very encouraging to some. "He understands what i'm going through" type of way. According to Christian theology, he actually does through the Holy Spirit, so that in sense, even if he didn't experience it on the cross, you could still envision him as experiencing pretty much any form of pain imaginable.

Again, I haven't brushed up on my theology in years though - so take all that with a grain of salt
Posted 4/29/15

seekerperson7 wrote:

There is a tendency to use this as a form of comfort for some though. The fact that God himself has felt pain is very encouraging to some. "He understands what i'm going through" type of way. According to Christian theology, he actually does through the Holy Spirit, so that in sense, even if he didn't experience it on the cross, you could still envision him as experiencing pretty much any form of pain imaginable.

Again, I haven't brushed up on my theology in years though - so take all that with a grain of salt



You got a good point, the pain could be spiritual. As for God feeling pain, I don't remember the verse but in the Bible God said something along the lines of "I created love and sadness, do you think I can't feel love and sadness too?" in other words, everything we feel: love, hate, sadness, happiness, pain! was given to us by God and since he is the creator, he can also feel them.

I don't make any studies, I just read the Bible sometimes and it is very clear that yes, God can feel pain and all kind of emotions as we do.



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There are much more painful ways to die than slowly bleeding out on a cross with nails in your hands, but that is also a painful way to die.
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PurpleDjango wrote:

There are much more painful ways to die than slowly bleeding out on a cross with nails in your hands, but that is also a painful way to die.


You dont die from blood loss you die from your lung collapsing in on itself and being unable to breath.
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You can die from blood loss... when your heart has nothing left to pump you cannot get needed 'Materials' to other parts of the body. your organs shut down and eventually your brain too.
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PurpleDjango wrote:

You can die from blood loss... when your heart has nothing left to pump you cannot get needed 'Materials' to other parts of the body. your organs shut down and eventually your brain too.


I know you can die from blood loss. But the Asphyxiation was the most common way one would die on the cross.
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I think you're misunderstanding this.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Christ died the most painful death in history. However, at the time it happened, Crucifixion was considered to be about the most gruesome method for killing a criminal. It was extremely harsh.

As for the amount of pain involved, a quick google search on Roman crucifixion gives an idea of what being crucified entails. It wasn't just bleeding to death from nails in your hands and feet. It was a bit more creative than that, and undeniably cruel.

"Death by Roman crucifixion was a result of the whole body weight being supported by the stretched arms. When nailed to the cross there was a massive strain put on the wrists, arms and shoulders often resulting in a dislocation of the shoulder and elbow joints. The rib cage was constrained in a fixed position, which made it extremely difficult to exhale, and impossible to take a full breath. The victim would continually try to draw himself up by his feet to allow for inflation of the lungs enduring terrible pain in his feet and legs. The pain in the feet and legs became unbearable and the victim was forced to trade breathing for pain. The length of time required to die from crucifixion could range from hours to a number of days."

"The main cause of death by Roman crucifixion was due to asphyxiation. Asphyxiation results from lack of exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide due to respiratory failure or disturbance, resulting in insufficient brain oxygen, which leads to unconsciousness and death. The execution method of Roman Crucifixion could produce death from a number of other causes, including physical shock caused by the scourging that preceded the crucifixion shock from the process of being nailed to the cross, dehydration or exhaustion."

If I'm wrong about anything, let me know. But I hope this helps.


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Death by cruxfiction sin the most painfull but itś still painfull. The most painfull way to die is by Impailment. Victims of of good ol'Vlad don´t die in hours. they die in days. while slowly bleeding and going down the pole little by little. Feeling it every second.
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