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Post Reply Jesus dying on the cross cannot be the most painful form of death....
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Before he was crusified, he was whipped with the cat o' nine tails, depending on configiration, a cat o' nine tails can have knots tied along each tail, or have objects tied into each tail. The result is torn flesh. Then he had a crown of thorns jammed onto his head. Finally, he was crusified. Normally someone crusified would be suffering for days, but because a Jewish holiday was coming up soon, the Roman soldiers killed him, and the other crusified guys with him, by impailing him with a spear. Even then, he didn't die right away.

So, I think the whole package deal resulted in a lot of pain and suffering.
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Aimpie wrote:

http://gods411.blogspot.com/2013/04/how-jesus-dies-for-you.html

I'm raised catholic but I can't make myself believe that Jesus suffered as much as they say he did, on the cross and before his death. I don't for a second believe he suffered more than everyone in the world. Prove me wrong?

(He was never raped, forced to give birth to the child conceived in rape, betrayed by his own mother and father and stoned to death by them as a result of rape that he was blamed for etc, he never starved, was sold as a sex slave, abused and hated by his own parents, he never had periods and never gave birth and never gave birth to a still born, I can think of a million things worse than what he went through and I think it's disrespectful to say that he suffered more and to tell people who have gone through worse that their pain is immeasurable to that of Jesus, because I don't think Jesus suffered more than so many people have and do suffer everyday. Even animals suffer more. I've been blessed that I haven't suffered so much, but to say there isn't worse to life than being betrayed by a friend and by strangers and dying on the cross? I think that's ridiculous. And disrespectful to the people who face real pain everyday. There are many things much worse than what he went through.)

Anyways, please prove me wrong, I'm open minded.



I never read the bible, so please Educate me, does it say anywhere that he suffered more then anyone?

Cause from what ive read, seen, it was the most painful thing they did during THAT TIME, not ALL TIME.



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Well let's say that dying on the cross is in fact the worst pain possible (I doubt it but let's just say it is)
Lots of other people went through it too....so why would HIS death on the cross be more painful than everyone else's??


In regards that Jesus's death being the most painful or more painful than anything anyone else can suffer I think you can look at it this way:
1. it is the most painful thing a MAN can go through... (lots of guys will look at his death and go "yup that is very painful")
2. Jesus' died for humanity so people can have a second chance through him to go to heaven, so I think that means at that moment he took in all of humanity suffering and pain and sin upon himself, so perhaps it was painful in a non-human way like something holy willingly let himself be tainted by sin... It doesn't say this stuff in the bible so....

but I agree with you rape seems easily worst than crucifixion... I often wonder why Jesus didn't come as a woman???
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Far as I know.

Jesus claimed to be god. Then he says he is the son of god. Huge contradiction that always get's swept under the rug.
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Far as I know.

Jesus claimed to be god. Then he says he is the son of god. Huge contradiction that always get's swept under the rug.


technically God is the trinity (Christian NIV) = the father, son, and only spirit, as reference from he book of Genesis God refers to himself as "we"
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Most of the things you mentioned seemed like feminist topics and things women suffer of. Rape, child bearing, family disowning because of that, being stoned because you were raped, your parents hating you etc.. Please don't bring that up with Jesus' torture since they are completely different kinds of torture and/or pain.

Why does rape always have to be the worst painful thing imaginable for everyone though? Is it because something is done against your will? Or is it because sex has been said to be only given to the person you truly love? Being whipped senselessly could be called sexual assault which ultimately can be inferred to Rape (or attempted Rape more accurately).
Anyways, I digress, and rape should be its own horrible, forum topic to discuss.

To some people it can hit them worse while to others not as bad (yet still horrible).
For example, if you punch two people with the same amount of force. It would hurt one of them more than the other. Another person can be affected differently from their family disowning them. Pain can be subjective to an individual.

What people have mentioned to be the worst death however, is being burned alive. And I can kind of agree on that one. Imagine your body boiling up and your skin start cooking all while you feel every last minute. It is said that burning is one of the worst pain sensations.
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Ex-Catholic now steadfast Pastafarian. Jesus wasn't real. He's a myth and nothing else. Historically there just isn't any proof of the character in any contemporary records therefore one shouldn't fret over the torture and death of a figment of fiction.

Edit: Unless it finishes on a cliff hanger and you have to wait until the next bit is written and the writer is on extended sabbatical... ಠ╭╮ಠ
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It makes alot of sense that you are catholic cause what you said there was some stupid shit.
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It makes alot of sense that you are catholic cause what you said there was some stupid shit.


What makes it stupid?

You're full of piss and vinegar so make it good!
Posted 4/29/15
Probably not really important to a Christian about how painful it was but that seems pretty bad to be nailed up and hung like a deer head and left to die until you asphyxiated, as I'm sure the message was about the price the guy paid for all of humanity if you believe in that sort of thing. So really its irrelevant the pain, but it moves some people after watching Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ.
Posted 4/29/15

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pizzplay wrote:

It makes alot of sense that you are catholic cause what you said there was some stupid shit.


What makes it stupid?

You're full of piss and vinegar so make it good!


are you just having a go to have a go? or did you actually read the op and really think it made sense? Because if you did, I made a mistake in even giving you the time it took to type this. Goodbye.
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pizzplay wrote:


Hotstonez wrote:


pizzplay wrote:

It makes alot of sense that you are catholic cause what you said there was some stupid shit.


What makes it stupid?

You're full of piss and vinegar so make it good!


are you just having a go to have a go? or did you actually read the op and really think it made sense? Because if you did, I made a mistake in even giving you the time it took to type this. Goodbye.


I had typed out a wee post on the quantification of suffering, but I'd rather just let you know that you can come back when you discover punctuation and a cogent reply . Bye bye now!
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Aimpie wrote:

Ok that makes a big difference,
So let's say I still want to be catholic, it's not like a horrible thing that I don't think he had the worst death? Like they won't tell me I'm going to hell for thinking that lol will they?


Dude, i was raised catholic and they like to add all kinds of rules to christianity that isnt in the bible.

But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.
Acts 5:29 ESV
Posted 4/30/15


You're just trying to flex the limited knowledge you have, I get it, but don't take it out on me. I can come and go as I please, you should know that. Ta.
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