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Posted 4/27/14

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and this gives additional insight to my post, how?


that Avril is more on the radar of mainstream media than Bella Thorne (had no idea who she was). more recognizable target to outrage on when there is no outrage to be had. unless i miss understood the point you were trying to make. totally possible.
The point of my post was not about which celebrity is more popular, oh god
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I don't think any one should be outraged in the sense that her song and video are really offensive. It is all lively and eccentric, like Japanese TV commercials, and apparently, according to others here, certain Japanese music videos.

The only way it is actually offensive is that it is offensive to the ears. Like others here said, the song is pretty terribad, and the music video, while not worse than the song, certainly doesn't lessen the pain.

What is up with her ugly ass haircut in the video. She looks bad in the video because of it.
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Posted 4/27/14

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shimmer_ wrote:


FlyinDumpling wrote:

and this gives additional insight to my post, how?


that Avril is more on the radar of mainstream media than Bella Thorne (had no idea who she was). more recognizable target to outrage on when there is no outrage to be had. unless i miss understood the point you were trying to make. totally possible.
The point of my post was not about which celebrity is more popular, oh god


He said they weren't different. He's saying people didn't freak out over Bella thorne's song because the only people who know who that is are tweens who watch the Disney Channel. Avril Lavign was kind of big for a few years so when she does something it's on more people's radar.
Posted 4/27/14

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The point of my post was not about which celebrity is more popular, oh god


obviously we don't get each other, but you can take it out on me

perhaps a better word choice than spearing. i get what you're saying, at least i think i do.. so i'll go over there, ktnxbye
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Oh wow people listen to that? I don't remember her music being that bad. Whatever, moving on...
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obviously we don't get each other, but you can take it out on me

perhaps a better word choice than spearing. i get what you're saying, at least i think i do.. so i'll go over there, ktnxbye
Sorry, I misunderstood what you said. I think we both agree that the song is offensively horrible.
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your never too old for the weeaboo phase, lulz
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Posted 4/27/14
This video amuses me
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Whilst I found the song annoying and comparable to nails on a chalkboard, I can't say it's being racist. Its often the case that Americans create rage where there is no rage because they try to compare it to their own culture and basically see it as mocking the culture. So they create rage saying its racist when in actuality thats just them thinking it is because they believe it to be mocking japanese culture.
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Come, come, kitty kitty. Hello Kitty, you're so silly.
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This song is soo bad lol

But neither my friends nor I take offense to this song lol. I'm no culture expert, but you see white girls dressed and acting like this sometimes all over Japan. Actually, I may be exaggerating it a bit (maybe not all over Japan), but I've seen girls like that a few times back in the day.

Also, her Japanese isn't good, but at least it's not abysmal like most..
Probably had a lot of practice lol.

In the end, it's not offensive... It's just bad. Catchy, but not good. I can go over her bad transitions, improper deviations of Co5 progression, and just plain bad placement of embellishments; but I'd have to listen to the song again.
Posted 4/28/14

Is this legit or photoshoped ? anyway . its true she is very popular in japan .she even made two songs for the last One piece Movie and she had many concerts there ..
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Posted 4/28/14

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I can't help but wonder if this outright rejection is more of a push to keep Asian culture from being promoted in America, and their outright dismissal of Japan is a way of maintaining a white woman cultural supremacy in America. I do think some white women have a latent hate towards Asian women and this may be another symptom of that.


Sounds pretty doubtful.

No one is obligated to buy her music if it's not to their tastes. If her fans communicate their displeasure, it's just useful to her as an entertainer trying to make a successful career, while keeping in mind that the noisiest fans are possibly the most obnoxious and not necessarily representative of all fans.

If she wears an eastern-style straw hat while tending rice fields in her music videos, it might be less popular in the USA than if she wore a cowboy hat while tending horses. Meanwhile, it might be more popular in some far east countries. I think people can have their stylistic preferences without being accused of hatred, racism, or some nonsense.
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I am not talking about being obliged to purchase something. I am referring to the outrage proclaiming female and Asian exploitation as a thinly veiled assault at Asian culture and Asian women in general. Also, it is cultural elitism and a lack of comprehension of a niche, yet popular Japanese style. I believe these feminist bloggers would attack any inclusion of Asian females as cultural appropriation regardless of how much it is actually a cultural appreciation and celebration of Asian culture. The result is ultimately a blockade of Asian culture which I believe mat have ulterior motives which some women (not all) are upset that Asian women do not embrace feminism and adhere to gender roles more than their western counterparts. Therefore I see this as a rebuke of Asian women on the whole and the phony racist argument is a facade meant to keep Asian culture from popularity in Western media.
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Posted 4/28/14

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Is this legit or photoshoped ? anyway . its true she is very popular in japan .she even made two songs for the last One piece Movie and she had many concerts there ..


Just see her twitter. Twitter.com/avrillavigne
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What is the motive of these outrage critics? Why are there so many whites, especially women, who are so quick to condemn Avril for this video?


Sometimes, especially when a group takes offense in the stead of another group, it has more to do with self-protection than projection. I think the reason that many of the critics are white, American females is based in the need to say "that's not us or our views!" It's the desire not to be scapegoated along with the performer. To put it simply, it's a way to say, "she may look like us, but she is nothing like us."

That said, I do think the song is pretty garbage, but her performance just reminds me of that recent performance by Katy Perry as a "geisha." It's not exactly sensitive, but it's not too derogatory too be damning either. So, inconsequential at best.
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