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Time for World Cup Racism! And Racism in General.
Posted 4/28/14 , edited 4/28/14
Ah, the World Cup. That time of year we get to see insane soccer (excuse me, football) fans, their vuvuzelas, and my personal favorite - the racism.

So, the mixed-race Dani Alves of Barcelona had a banana thrown at him by a fan of the opposing team who decided to vent out his anger with a fruit and racial implications.

Yes, this really happened. But how did he respond?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/a-villarreal-fan-threw-a-banana-at-dani-alves--so-he-ate-it-before-taking-his-corner-kick-205443558.html

Now, even Dani Alves said what (should be) common knowledge - Spain is incredibly racist, and has always struggled with racism issues. Being Brazilian born and mixed with Black, Dani has also faced racism from the lovely, white-worshiping Brazil. Yes, racism is rampant in Euro-centric South America too, isn't that lovely? The darker you are in these places (and more!), the less European your features...You're doomed, mate.

I know it might come as a surprise to all you deniers, but there are many (many) countries out there with way worse racism than America though the world likes to pretend this is not true, and the media likes to pretend as well. Harharhar.

Anyway, what do you think of this? How would you respond if faced with something like this, in front of millions of people? I understand being annoyed, angry even when the team you're supporting doesn't do well, but resorting to insults? Especially racial insults?

Take a chill pill and grow the fuck up.
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Posted 4/28/14
I was watching that game, Dani Alves did a good job! He basically said 'thank you for giving the strength to play better' and guess what! Barcelona ended up winning that game

Anyways, I can't wait for the World Cup!!
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Posted 4/28/14 , edited 4/28/14
Well... I don't watch sports. But even if I did I wouldn't let racism take the good of me because I know that if I did then it would just make me look like a complete idiot/asshole.

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Vuvuzelas were just a South African thing...
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Posted 4/28/14 , edited 4/28/14

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I know it might come as a surprise to all you deniers, but there are many (many) countries out there with way worse racism than America though the world likes to pretend this is not true, and the media likes to pretend as well. Harharhar.

Anyway, what do you think of this? How would you respond if faced with something like this, in front of millions of people? I understand being annoyed, angry even when the team you're supporting doesn't do well, but resorting to insults? Especially racial insults?



Having been to many of the big countries in Europe I can agree on the racism part, but it's everywhere not just Europe and America. There is some sort of racism no matter where you go. But I agree that the media seems to mask the racism everywhere, except from the US. Thus why I think people tend to hate Americans more, given generally we deserve the hate.

As for the article/what happened with the soccer game and your questions:

I think the player did the perfect thing there. He didn't blow his top, he could have simply just ignored it as well. But I think using their hate and making it into a positive for himself is a great thing. Of course I think that is how anyone should take any form of bullying, which racism more or less is bullying on a grander scale, take their hatred and turn it into your own positive.

I can't say what I would do in the same situation in front of millions, as I will never be in that situation. I'd probably die being in front of that many people.

Sadly, on the last 2 points, it just reverts back to my first point. Racism is unfortunately everywhere. In some of us its just ingrained without even thinking about it. Such as many people hate many countries because of their leaders, or things they did in the past. My parents and grandparents still don't trust anyone Russian, though my parents less so.

It's because they were raised to believe anyone Russian was out to kill you and start a full blown World War 3. My grandfather would ignore any Asian waitress at a restaurant from that ingrained hatred from the wars.

Keeping it strictly to sports... no one in my family would associate with someone from any Mizzou team, because we are KU and Chiefs fans. (Even though KC chiefs is technically MO team KS tends to call it theirs) College rivalries are just as bad, KU vs K-State for example. USUALLY these though are just team hatreds and NOT racial, but I remember a few years ago there was some racial attacks between KU and KState. I believe it cancelled some of their games taking away their chances at winning any of the big championships.



In short, racism is there, and probably won't go away no matter what it is.
Posted 4/28/14 , edited 4/28/14

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Having been to many of the big countries in Europe I can agree on the racism part, but it's everywhere not just Europe and America. There is some sort of racism no matter where you go. But I agree that the media seems to mask the racism everywhere, except from the US. Thus why I think people tend to hate Americans more, given generally we deserve the hate.


Yup it is everywhere. And in my experience (as a darker-brown skinned Filipino-American), I would say Asia's the worst of the lot in quite a few ways. Australia, Russia, South America and quite a few other European countries are next. Well of course the media is onesided. America has its share of problems absolutely, but I've noticed the media loves to showcase them everywhere, and make America seem the worst of countries many a time when it doesn't deserve that. Like I've said before, America acts as the buttmonkey of the world/media so that other countries can feel they're paradises in comparison. I say this especially as a non-white immigrant who has noticed this, and has family in other parts of the world who know just how bad racism is first hand.


As for the article/what happened with the soccer game and your questions:

I think the player did the perfect thing there. He didn't blow his top, he could have simply just ignored it as well. But I think using their hate and making it into a positive for himself is a great thing. Of course I think that is how anyone should take any form of bullying, which racism more or less is bullying on a grander scale, take their hatred and turn it into your own positive.

I can't say what I would do in the same situation in front of millions, as I will never be in that situation. I'd probably die being in front of that many people.

Sadly, on the last 2 points, it just reverts back to my first point. Racism is unfortunately everywhere. In some of us its just ingrained without even thinking about it. Such as many people hate many countries because of their leaders, or things they did in the past. My parents and grandparents still don't trust anyone Russian, though my parents less so.

It's because they were raised to believe anyone Russian was out to kill you and start a full blown World War 3. My grandfather would ignore any Asian waitress at a restaurant from that ingrained hatred from the wars.

Keeping it strictly to sports... no one in my family would associate with someone from any Mizzou team, because we are KU and Chiefs fans. (Even though KC chiefs is technically MO team KS tends to call it theirs) College rivalries are just as bad, KU vs K-State for example. USUALLY these though are just team hatreds and NOT racial, but I remember a few years ago there was some racial attacks between KU and KState. I believe it cancelled some of their games taking away their chances at winning any of the big championships.

In short, racism is there, and probably won't go away no matter what it is.


Yes, I love how he handled the situation as well. If I was in that situation, I would have liked very much to do the same, though I think my temper would have gotten the best of me unfortunately.

Yup, racism is many a time, something that is taught and ingrained in society much like some sort of cultural tradition. And many times the racism is even against the members of a same race, but of a different ethnicity. For instance my great-grandfather cannot stand Japan and has immense hatred for them. Then again, that has to do with WW2 and with what my grandfather went through with no apology...I can't really blame him, though I know it is wrong and I don't agree.

Rivalry is one thing - racism another.
Posted 4/28/14
Thank god those vuvuzelas won't be around. As for the racism it's everywhere tho I don't remember Alves being that dark. either way I would just brush it off. what can you do except play and shut the opposing supporters up.
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I don't really watch the football, but I do love the way Alves handle that problem. As far as someone being racist to me? Well, I'm white, and if someone cracked a white racist joke to me I'd probably burst out laughing, that's how I'd handle it. I've experienced racism right infront of me, from my own family infact. I remember when a guy in his car suddenly pulled right out infront of us. He was in the wrong, but here's how the exchange went in my car:

Dad: Bloody hell, what a twat.
Brother: Well he was black.
Dad: That probably explains it, then.

I just sat there shocked at what they'd said. I've never seen them do or say anything racist since then, and my dad claims he's not racist, just that he's doesn't like people coming in from other countries and trying to push their religions and whatnot onto other people. But that one scenario left me so surprised because it seemed so out of place, and coming from my brother who was 12 at the time made it all the more surprising.

As for the overreacting fans, being from England I know some pretty hardcore football fans, and even they find the people who fight and riot and get super serious about it to be complete bellends. I do feel that football has gone past that point to where it's more than just a sport to most people, and that's part of what pushes me away from it. I often feel less people watch it for fun, and more to have a sense of superiority, to say they're better than another country, or that their side winning somehow makes them a better person. I do wonder something, though: on an anime related note, how many of those fans so obsessed with football that they would gladly kill people over it would laugh at someone for being an otaku? Just a thought.
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Posted 4/28/14
FIFA has perma-banned the vuvuzela.
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FIFA has perma-banned the vuvuzela.


This is the worst news I have ever gotten in my life.
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Surprisingly, I rather have someone call me fat than get tons of racial slurs tossed at me. I can always lose weight but I can't get rid of being African-American. That is just one of those things that stays with you until you die. I'm glad the guy didn't restore to finding the person who threw the banana then kick the person's ass. That shows he handle things maturely.
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Posted 4/28/14 , edited 4/28/14

qualeshia3 wrote:

Surprisingly, I rather have someone call me fat than get tons of racial slurs tossed at me. I can always lose weight but I can't get rid of being African-American. That is just one of those things that stays with you until you die. I'm glad the guy didn't restore to finding the person who threw the banana then kick the person's ass. That shows he handle things maturely.

I would say that that isn't surprising at all if you weren't female :P

@OP I don't think "the media" can be discussed as monolith with a single agenda. While often it ends up whitewashing things, just as often it makes otherwise unremarkable race-based events into big headlines because people buy into it.

Other than that this story isn't really novel in Europe. Sadly, banana-throwing has happened a fair few times here, usually in Italy. Racism is everywhere and even though many of us in the West would hate to admit it, imo it can't be fully erased in anyone, all we can do is try not to let it get the best of us. The culture of racism is all that changes from country to country.
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In all honesty, I don't want to get called "fat"(I am, though it still hurts a little), but it's better than getting called any racial slur. Thats' just my take on it.
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That's why I said that, because it's something that society is crueller with towards girls. Either way I had a friend who tried to legitimize making racist jokes by saying that he's overweight but fine with us making fat jokes, so why can't I be with black jokes? I found it difficult to explain in a way that he, as a white, could comprehend based on his own experiences - something I now understand to be impossible.
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I am literally the only minority in my racist, all-white cowboy town, so I get my fair share of racial sh%t tossed at me. The good Christians of my town love racist jokes, obama jokes, gay joke, and guns. Yay for me.

I hear that since I'm a minority I get paid to go to college, and that's racist against white people. Totally justifies their actions.
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