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I've never seen a motion comic until a while ago, I think they're awesome personally . I feel they are more similar to manga to give it that nice reading vibe. When I saw http://www.crunchyroll.com/hadigirl-manga-25 I fell in love with motion comics. I think they're neat and great for their production value.
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I like good motion comics. These, however, are very very very far from good. Bad art, bad transitions, bad voice over, bad plot, I made it less than half way through the first episode of each. Normally I don't criticize CR's decisions, but WHAT THE HECK WERE YOU THINKING CRUNCHY?!?!?!?! I pray to the anime gods that these were give to you free and that you did not waste precious resources acquiring them, because that would be sad.
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I'd be more interested in Japanese voice actors with subtitles. I'd heard Detective Loki was pretty bad so I may or may not take a look just to see how bad it really is.
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kitsuneshoujo wrote: I wanted to try out Jikenbo... but the English voice overs were dreadful. lol I'm not a purist, I will watch dubbed anime, but this was horrible.

Could we please get a Japanese version if possible?


As you can see from their catalog, they don't seem to have a selection of language ... everything is either in English, or in Japanese with English subtitles. There isn't anything with a choice between the two.

The good news is that everything in their catalog that they haven't released on Crunchyroll are in Japanese with English subtitles, like the Soredemo & Hadigirl Manga2.5 titles already here, so you can vote for more Japanese language, English subtitled Motion Comics by watching one or both of those.


Art-chan wrote: I'd be more interested in Japanese voice actors with subtitles. I'd heard Detective Loki was pretty bad so I may or may not take a look just to see how bad it really is.

As above, the rest of Hapinet's Manga2.5 catalog seems to be that way. They've done nine titles so far, four English (all four on Crunchyroll) and five Japanese with English subtitles (two of the five are on Crunchyroll).

I've not heard anything about the Detective Loki one. I liked Karasuma Kyoko no Jikenbo, but I'm sure I would have liked it a lot more with Japanese voice acting and subtitles, since the English dub was extremely stilted and awkward.


wirezend wrote: I pray to the anime gods that these were give to you free and that you did not waste precious resources acquiring them, because that would be sad.

Probably neither ... the way payment for titles normally works is royalties based on how many people watch. So, like everything Crunchyroll gets, its ultimately the people who watch them who pay for them.

Since these are already localized, the only work that Crunchyroll has to do is to encode them, and since Hapinet already sells these as HD and SD downloads on iTunes and GooglePlay, there likely wasn't much required work encoding them.
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This stuff looks like really low budget cartoons. First time seeing "manga 2.5" Thing i'll stick with regular manga or anime.
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I don't think Manga 2.5 should be in the anime section. It's NOT anime. It's motion comics. Therefore Manga 2.5 belongs in the Manga category, perhaps a subcategory called "Motion Comics", or "Motion Manga", or maybe "Manga 2.5". Or maybe just stick Manga 2.5 in with the Manga ver. 1 until there are enough in the collection to start a new Manga 2.5 section, but take them out of the anime section.
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DeadlyOats wrote:I don't think Manga 2.5 should be in the anime section. It's NOT anime. It's motion comics. Therefore Manga 2.5 belongs in the Manga category, perhaps a subcategory called "Motion Comics", or "Motion Manga", or maybe "Manga 2.5". Or maybe just stick Manga 2.5 in with the Manga ver. 1 until there are enough in the collection to start a new Manga 2.5 section, but take them out of the anime section.
I disagree... It should stay exactly where it is. Whether or not you like the material being presented, having it in the Anime section allows for viewing it on devices, like my Roku instead of being forced to use PC only. The format of it would not allow the device Manga apps to play it.
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I agree with asharka's position. Even though I have no immediate interest in the manga 2.5 titles, I wouldn't want to see them moved from the anime section to manga.
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DeadlyOats wrote:I don't think Manga 2.5 should be in the anime section. It's NOT anime. It's motion comics. Therefore Manga 2.5 belongs in the Manga category, perhaps a subcategory called "Motion Comics", or "Motion Manga", or maybe "Manga 2.5". Or maybe just stick Manga 2.5 in with the Manga ver. 1 until there are enough in the collection to start a new Manga 2.5 section, but take them out of the anime section.
I disagree... It should stay exactly where it is. Whether or not you like the material being presented, having it in the Anime section allows for viewing it on devices, like my Roku instead of being forced to use PC only. The format of it would not allow the device Manga apps to play it.


Well, if it's for technical reasons that it's located in the anime section, then the Manga 2.5 content needs to have its own section and CR needs to be sure it can play on all devices. By the way, I'm currently watching Karasuma Kyoko no Jikenbo. I'm liking the story presented so far, and I like the way it's presented, but.... The voice overs leave much to be desired. Hopefully, those will improve with future offerings.

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karasuownsyou wrote: This stuff looks like really low budget cartoons. First time seeing "manga 2.5" Thing i'll stick with regular manga or anime.

They are Motion Comics, so they are basically "inanimation" ... manga with a soundtrack.

Maybe that's why I liked the Soredemo one so much, since I liked the voice acting on that one, in addition to the story.


asharka wrote: It should stay exactly where it is. Whether or not you like the material being presented, having it in the Anime section allows for viewing it on devices, like my Roku instead of being forced to use PC only. The format of it would not allow the device Manga apps to play it.

Exactly ... that's part of the point, that they can be watched on a Roku / AppleTV / etc. As long as the name says "Manga 2.5", sooner or later a majority of anime members will work out what that means.

I do think that they should be available ad-free for both anime and manga members, since they are kind of halfway between anime and manga. But that's not moving the Manga 2.5 to a different section, just setting the permissions to support that.


DeadlyOats wrote: By the way, I'm currently watching Karasuma Kyoko no Jikenbo. I'm liking the story presented so far, and I like the way it's presented, but.... The voice overs leave much to be desired. Hopefully, those will improve with future offerings.

It looks like all the newer ones are Japanese audio with subtitles, so they probably received similar feedback when these were originally put in iTunes and Google Play for download.
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DeadlyOats wrote: By the way, I'm currently watching Karasuma Kyoko no Jikenbo. I'm liking the story presented so far, and I like the way it's presented, but.... The voice overs leave much to be desired. Hopefully, those will improve with future offerings.

It looks like all the newer ones are Japanese audio with subtitles, so they probably received similar feedback when these were originally put in iTunes and Google Play for download.


That's a shame. I liked that it was voiced in English. I just wanted better English voice overs. With subs, I HAVE TO READ THE SUBS to know what's going on, but then I'm not looking at the art. I came to realize that most of the anime I watch, I'm not really watching. I'm just reading. I might as well read a book with no pictures in it.

That's why I think English voice actors are important, and needed, but the problem is that companies like the ones that did the Manga 2.1 of Karasuma Kyoko no Jikenbo cut corners so badly, just to maximize profits, that they pretty much ruined the potential for this medium. That's why I appreciate the effort that companies like Funimation and Viz have been putting into turning out quality English dubs of anime. I'm not going to enjoy looking at motion comics if I have to read the subs while the action sweeps past me without me having looked at it.

And don't tell me to "just rewind it and watch it again." I already do that, and it's not as much fun either, because then I end up just reading he subs, again missing the action.
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DeadlyOats wrote: That's a shame. I liked that it was voiced in English. I just wanted better English voice overs. With subs, I HAVE TO READ THE SUBS to know what's going on, but then I'm not looking at the art. I came to realize that most of the anime I watch, I'm not really watching. I'm just reading. I might as well read a book with no pictures in it.

That would make you part of the target market for a dub, but from reaction to the English voice dubs of their earlier motion comics, it seems like you don't represent the larger share of their prospective market.


That's why I think English voice actors are important, and needed, but the problem is that companies like the ones that did the Manga 2.1 of Karasuma Kyoko no Jikenbo cut corners so badly, just to maximize profits, that they pretty much ruined the potential for this medium.

If they have to choose between losing money making bad English dubs for motion comics made from manga, because the potential audience for that doesn't like the quality of the dub, losing money making better dubbed motion comics made from manga, because of the cost of making the dub, and making money from the market for Japanese dubbed motion comics made from manga, with English subtitles or text balloons for the English speaking part of the audience, it shouldn't be surprising if they go for the one that makes money.

If they were able to do the dubs Disney style, getting the voice actors together in a studio and recording it radio theater style with multiple takes, that would be great, but motion comics made from manga are not going to be able to carry such a high localization cost unless its some title with a massive built-in audience ... in which case it would more likely receive an animated release.

As far as being greedy ... this is commercial entertainment we are talking about. There is no sense in making it if its expected to lose money.


That's why I appreciate the effort that companies like Funimation and Viz have been putting into turning out quality English dubs of anime.

Funimation or Viz English dubs are often lackluster themselves, but they already have a Japanese dub so if they can sustain an English dub for their localization, its very little extra expense to do a hybrid release. Obviously they are sitting in a quite different part of the market than motion comics made from manga.
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You're one of them dub haters. Aren't you?
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If people are wanting them in Japanese with subs, you can rent/buy them from the Apple and Google stores.
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DeadlyOats wrote: You're one of them dub haters. Aren't you?

In what sense? Of course, all anime is dubbed, the choice is between a Japanese dub with subtitles and an English dub without.

Among others I like the English dub from Cowboy Bebop dub, Baccano! dub and El Cazador de la Bruja, but more often than not, I prefer the sub. I have no problem watching subtitled content, and was watching frequently watching subtitled content on SBS in Australia before I actually got into anime, so I tend to prefer the one that is smoother and has better voice acting.

From the Manga2.5 I have watched, Soredemo has better voice acting than any of the English dubs I've seen of Hapinet's Manga2.5. So did the little I saw of Hadigirl, though I didn't finish the series from lack of interest in the story.


Kareha170 wrote: If people are wanting them in Japanese with subs, you can rent/buy them from the Apple and Google stores.

I don't think that's right ~ I rented one of these from Google Play, and it was in English, just as a single video with each episode one after the other rather than broken up into distinct episodes. From their list of series at their own site, every one is either described as English audio, or Japanese audio with English subtitles.
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