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after researching the meat industry and how animals are treated in factory farms, i have come to the conclusion that eating meat and supporting such abusive corporations is not something i am willing to do. just look up videos on what they do to animals in these "factory farms", you will either get teary eyed or nauseous. my view is that eating meat isn't in itself bad at all, but the process in which meat is mass produced these days is so gruesome that i am no longer willing to support it in any way. i found a short (10 min) documentary that goes over a few of the problems with mass meat production:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTifP6idBPs


most people turn a blind eye to things like this, or just don't care in general, and that's perfectly fine if that's how you feel, i'm not going to hate you or call you a murderer for eating meat, i just figured i would bring up the topic and share my opinion, because it's very interesting to me.

i've found people for some reason tend to get really uptight on this topic, so try to be at least somewhat respectful to ALL opinions.
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I don't agree with mass animal meat production but currently society values non-humans more than they value humans in other parts of the world (Which is even worse than mass produced meat), most people are blind to this and will say 'But muh (not so) Fairtrade trade products bro!' and then I simply laugh at them and walk out of the room. Since I, like everyone else on earth, am a hypocrite I also buy mass produced meat e.g. KFC/McDonalds and all the other millions of fast dinners (Or other sources of the cruelty that we despise yet adore) that British high streets have to offer, however a key difference between myself and others is that I acknowledge my failure as a human being and I try to avoid mass produced garbage as much as possible, I don't buy into this entire 'Fairtrade' self-confidence-boosting bullshit that we in the west create to pretend that we really want to help others.
The same way I make fun of those extremists feminists I make fun of those extremist vegetarians that force their 'I-am-better-than-you' opinion down my throat even though I don't want it. Ah, how beautiful the world is right?
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I'll always be meat eater and i know it's cruel but I simply don't care. Things need to die to survive and I know i'm a bitch for thinking htat but i'm not going to lie. I do support people not eating meat to though it's their choice and I wont push them to eat meat and I also have a very wacky stomach and light meat, rice, some fish is all i can really eat.
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aGreekSudaneseGerman wrote:

I don't agree with mass animal meat production but currently society values non-humans more than they value humans in other parts of the world (Which is even worse than mass produced meat), most people are blind to this and will say 'But muh (not so) Fairtrade trade products bro!' and then I simply laugh at them and walk out of the room. Since I, like everyone else on earth, am a hypocrite I also buy mass produced meat e.g. KFC/McDonalds and all the other millions of fast dinners (Or other sources of the cruelty that we despise yet adore) that British high streets have to offer, however a key difference between myself and others is that I acknowledge my failure as a human being and I try to avoid mass produced garbage as much as possible, I don't buy into this entire 'Fairtrade' self-confidence-boosting bullshit that we in the west create to pretend that we really want to help others.
The same way I make fun of those extremists feminists I make fun of those extremist vegetarians that force their 'I-am-better-than-you' opinion down my throat even though I don't want it. Ah, how beautiful the world is right?


of course harm to humans is worse than harm to animals, and yeah, people tend to be ignorant about how bad people have it in 3rd world countries. that is also something that i feel strongly about, and there is certainly better ways to deal with it then we are now. we certainly aren't doing enough to help 3rd world people

just an interesting fact: last year, a doctor at the FAO estimated that $30 billion (less than 5% of our military spending) could have fed every starving person for a year. the US has the money and the power to EASILY end starvation, but sadly there is not even a major push to do so. the article is here: http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2008/1000853/index.html people don't care enough to speak up about these things, which really sucks.

as for the hardcore better-than-you vegetarians, i pretty much agree. even if i don't like the idea of eating animals that were abused their whole lives, i'm not going to tell anybody how to live. do whatever the hell you want, it's your life, not mine. just acknowledging the problem is really all that is important.
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Not sure what I think about it... I mean, I don't really care if you're a vegetarian or not. Animals get treated like shit, but so do the people who pick the veggies and fruits. I'm just gonna keep eating what I want, I guess...
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hinhata wrote:

I'll always be meat eater and i know it's cruel but I simply don't care. Things need to die to survive and I know i'm a bitch for thinking htat but i'm not going to lie. I do support people not eating meat to though it's their choice and I wont push them to eat meat and I also have a very wacky stomach and light meat, rice, some fish is all i can really eat.


XD you're not a bitch. the fact that you acknowledge the problem is enough. even if you eat meat, just being aware of the cruelty and supporting possible reforms to the meat industry is all it takes for things to change.
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Some meat companies are cruel yes, but animals have always been raised to slaughter. Everything needs to die someday to give food for others, it's the circle of life. It's not just humans.

Personally, I find it annoying when the treatment of animals is the main reason people don't eat meat. It's only one reason. And there's high demand, I doubt one person giving up meat will impact the industry that much.

Also, I love meat. I also don't like fish. Besides, iron deficiency runs in the family, mom's had it. You know what they most advise people to eat with that? Red meat. I find that when I'm low on iron, I tend to crave red meat. I could never give up meat at all, it's one of my favorites. Even though some of those things do disgust me... I'd rather have meat than not have it.
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Ouzoathena11 wrote:

Some meat companies are cruel yes, but animals have always been raised to slaughter. Everything needs to die someday to give food for others, it's the circle of life. It's not just humans.

Personally, I find it annoying when the treatment of animals is the main reason people don't eat meat. It's only one reason. And there's high demand, I doubt one person giving up meat will impact the industry that much.

Also, I love meat. I also don't like fish. Besides, iron deficiency runs in the family, mom's had it. You know what they most advise people to eat with that? Red meat. I find that when I'm low on iron, I tend to crave red meat. I could never give up meat at all, it's one of my favorites. Even though some of those things do disgust me... I'd rather have meat than not have it.


animals have been raised to be slaughtered, i agree with that 100%. the thing is, it's not that simple anymore.

traditionally, farms would have big fields. the animals would run around and graze on grass and/or insects until they were big enough, when they would be shot in the head. they would not feel pain, and they lived a decent life. that kind of farming is completely ok with me. i actually support that sort of meat production. i would gladly eat meat if that's how it was made. now though, factory farms mass produce meat by unnecessarily cruel methods in order to make more money. for example:

veal are baby cows. doesn't really seem that bad, until you learn that they are tied to the ground so they never stand on their own feet. not once. they are chained down, force fed, and injected with chemicals from birth, and then once they are ready to be killed, they unchain them, hang them upside down, and slit their throats so they are left upside down, bleeding to death, being completely conscious the entire time, feeling every second of it.

cows and pigs are kept in metal pens with no room to even move. they are kept knee deep in feces, and sometimes never even see sunlight. they are injected with chemicals (mainly steroids) to make them unnaturally fat, and then they are (just like veal) hung upside down, slit at the throat, and left to bleed out, feeling all of it.

chickens also live in their own feces with no room. they are given such a high amount of steroids that their legs break under their massive weight. they then live the rest of their lives lying down in shit until they are chosen to be killed. the workers usually snap their necks to kill them, which usually takes multiple tries, so the chicken is having it's neck partially snapped multiple times before it is finally dead.

these are only a few examples, i could go on forever, but it gets the message across that it's more than just being raised to be slaughtered. i have no problem with anybody eating meat, it should just be acknowledged that the whole process in which meat is produced now is cruel and inhumane, and that regulations should be put in place so cruelty of this degree does not continue. and yes, one person not eating meat is not going to change the meat industry, but over 7 million people in america as of 2014 is a start. vegetarianism is also becoming VERY big among young people, and the rapid rise of people choosing to not eat meat could put economic pressure on meat companies in the (somewhat) near future.

there is high demand for meat, but it doesn't have to be as high as it is now. a big misconception is that you can't get proper nutrition without eating meat. the truth is, every nutrient found in any meat can be found in plant-based foods. of course in your case it is logical to eat meat because of a medical condition, but industrialized nations as a whole could easily shift towards less meat intake. it would not only put less animals through the abuse they are going through now, but it would actually be beneficial to the health of human beings. people who eat less red meat have consistently been observed to be at a lower risk for heart disease and certain types of cancer.

sorry if that was horribly boring, i didn't mean to ramble for that long XD.
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Well, I guess I must be somewhat inhumane or something because that didn't move me.

Also, my one problem with the fat comment... the meat we eat is all muscle. Fat is the disgusting stuff no one wants to eat. Anything that's lean is from an animal without fat, or they scraped out the fat.
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Ouzoathena11 wrote:

Well, I guess I must be somewhat inhumane or something because that didn't move me.

Also, my one problem with the fat comment... the meat we eat is all muscle. Fat is the disgusting stuff no one wants to eat. Anything that's lean is from an animal without fat, or they scraped out the fat.


well, it wasn't really supposed to be moving, i was really just stating information gathered by journalists and scientific studies. and yeah most people don't give a crap, and that's fine by me, as long as people acknowledge that there is a problem.

yeah it actually does increase muscle mass like you said, but it increases fat as well. there is more muscle to eat, as well as much much more fat. the weight put on by the excess fat is what i was referring to, but yes muscle is what they are aiming to increase. the fat is more of a byproduct. they scrape it out before it goes to the stores.
Posted 5/1/14
I personaly think it's not in your best interest due to the fact that we've evolved eating meat for 100,000's of years anthropological speaking, if we've been eating meat for that long there must of been a reason we did. I could give you certian reasons why you shouldn't yet I doubt your going to read though all of it, but I think that people should stop eating the Factory Farmed Animals who are basicly raised in concentration camps, find a local farmer who pasture raises animals on a 100% grass fed diet like how they evolved to eat and not be pumped with antibiotics artifical hormones and other unessasary toxic substances.
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I personaly think it's not in your best interest due to the fact that we've evolved eating meat for 100,000's of years anthropological speaking, if we've been eating meat for that long there must of been a reason we did. I could give you certian reasons why you shouldn't yet I doubt your going to read though all of it, but I think that people should stop eating the Factory Farmed Animals who are basicly raised in concentration camps, find a local farmer who pasture raises animals on a 100% grass fed diet like how they evolved to eat and not be pumped with antibiotics artifical hormones and other unessasary toxic substances.


no, go ahead, i've been sharing what i think, you have the right to do the same. i'm not a confrontational person, i'm not going to start a heated flame war with you :P. you are 100% right about the local farms, that's how meat is supposed to be raised.

besides, like i've said before, as long as we agree that factory farms are horrible, any opinion is valid.
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I wish I was one, but i'm too fat and enjoy my meat.

I know exactly where my meat comes from, iv'e seen more than enough pictures and videos to have an unforgettable and clear image imprinted in my mind.

Sometimes I wonder what this says about humanity as a species. And the conclusion I came to was, we just quite frankly don't give a fk how our food gets on our plate as long as we can eat it. Humanity is as heartless as any other species of animal when it comes to our prey, we kill them by whatever means are fastest and most efficient to us. The only difference is, we have a lot more mouths to feed, so it's more like mass murder, rather than hunter vs prey. But in the end, one animal dies, a couple other animals get to eat.

I'm happy to see people who can actually break the mold, and ignore their animal instincts. Humanity would be a better species if we could break our dependence on animal products.
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I wish I was one, but i'm too fat and enjoy my meat.

I know exactly where my meat comes from, iv'e seen more than enough pictures and videos to have an unforgettable and clear image imprinted in my mind.

Sometimes I wonder what this says about humanity as a species. And the conclusion I came to was, we just quite frankly don't give a fk how our food gets on our plate as long as we can eat it. Humanity is as heartless as any other species of animal when it comes to our prey, we kill them by whatever means are fastest and most efficient to us. The only difference is, we have a lot more mouths to feed, so it's more like mass murder, rather than hunter vs prey. But in the end, one animal dies, a couple other animals get to eat.

I'm happy to see people who can actually break the mold, and ignore their animal instincts. Humanity would be a better species if we could break our dependence on animal products.


don't feel bad. like i've said to literally everybody else, i don't care if you have a differing opinion, you agree that the way we get our food is somewhat cruel, and that's all that matters. as long as people are aware of the problem, it will be able to be fixed. you can support regulating the meat industry and still eat meat. i'm also being a vegetarian for other reasons, so it makes the decision easier for me, i don't expect anybody to listen to me ramble about meat and then go vegetarian. i just thought it would be cool to discuss the topic.
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The consumers aren't to blame for all that animal cruelty so I'll just keep eating meat 'cause it's too damn delicious.

However, we as humans who can reason and feel compassion, should protect animals from such terrible practices
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