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Post Reply your thoughts on vegetarianism?
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I think animals should be treated with some kindness and they should not be abused. I think however the need to supply meat to humans who need it outweighs the needs of those animals who are confined to restricted places and live short lives. Without the modern methods we have meat would be simply too expensive and harder to produce.
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Proof that any of that happened please? Sources and credits would be good.

Before one can focus on stopping animal cruelty one must learn to live with each other- something that will never ever happen.
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Before one can focus on stopping animal cruelty one must learn to live with each other- something that will never ever happen.
--and because it will never happen, it doesn't mean that all efforts are pointless. I don't think it's your job to decide how a person should prioritize their interest. A society where people must solve a particular social injustice before moving on to the next is an anti-progressive society because if there is a social injustice that will never ever be solved, it's impossible to move on to try and solve the next. Plus, why do both of those things have to be mutually exclusive?
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Then don't eat abused animals? You can vote by simply not paying for animal meat treated inhumanly.
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Posted 5/2/14

aGreekSudaneseGerman wrote:


Proof that any of that happened please? Sources and credits would be good.

Before one can focus on stopping animal cruelty one must learn to live with each other- something that will never ever happen.


the veal thing: http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/confinement_farm/facts/veal.html

cows: http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/cows/cow-transport-slaughter/

if you watched the documentary i posted, it showed videos of the chickens and some other stuff.

you can literally find articles on this with a simple google search, and there are videos of these things on youtube.

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yes, but like i stated before, all nutrients found in meat can be found in plants. if modern industrialized nations could reduce their meat intake (not stop eating meat, just reduce how much they eat) it would eliminated the need for factory farms. it would not only benefit animals, but studies show that people who eat less meat are at a lower risk for heart disease and certain types of cancers.
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yes, but like i stated before, all nutrients found in meat can be found in plants. if modern industrialized nations could reduce their meat intake (not stop eating meat, just reduce how much they eat) it would eliminated the need for factory farms. it would not only benefit animals, but studies show that people who eat less meat are at a lower risk for heart disease and certain types of cancers.


And we humans are omnivores yeah, the argument goes both ways and you need to eat more green to get the same amount of nutrients as opposed to eating meat products. "it would eliminated the need for factory farm" Not entirely, you would still have a lot them due to lower costs and higher efficiency and in our capitalistic society Money comes before people/animals/justice/anything. Also I could also say 'Vitamin B12' and then you could say 'supplements!' then I'd say something else and you'd come up with another man-made product and that game will continue on forever and ever.
Meh, people can do what they want otherwise it would not be true 'freedom' would it now...or so I guess.
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there is high demand for meat, but it doesn't have to be as high as it is now. a big misconception is that you can't get proper nutrition without eating meat. the truth is, every nutrient found in any meat can be found in plant-based foods. of course in your case it is logical to eat meat because of a medical condition, but industrialized nations as a whole could easily shift towards less meat intake. it would not only put less animals through the abuse they are going through now, but it would actually be beneficial to the health of human beings. people who eat less red meat have consistently been observed to be at a lower risk for heart disease and certain types of cancer.



People who eat less meat have been shown to be at higher risk for a myriad of hormonal issues. Further the link between lower heart disease and less meat is correlation not causation. We're omnivores, our bodies were meant to have both meat and vegetables from a biological standpoint. If people have issues with eating meat due to religion or moral implications that's fine by me but let's not try and spin vegetarians as the end all to be all of health as they have a myriad of health issues that a more balanced diet simply will not have.
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I am a meat eater, but I do not eat veal or foie grai, for example as I do not agree with the method used for producing them.
I do believe if one eats meat one owes it to the animals, to try and use as many ethical products as one can find and affordability allows.
On a side note if I may, PETA kill thousands of animals every year.
Posted 5/3/14
well, i wouldn't be surprised to learn that they inject stuff into vegetables and i'm definitely against the mistreatment of plants.
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LiquidMercury wrote:


People who eat less meat have been shown to be at higher risk for a myriad of hormonal issues. Further the link between lower heart disease and less meat is correlation not causation. We're omnivores, our bodies were meant to have both meat and vegetables from a biological standpoint. If people have issues with eating meat due to religion or moral implications that's fine by me but let's not try and spin vegetarians as the end all to be all of health as they have a myriad of health issues that a more balanced diet simply will not have.


not all vegetarians have hormonal issues. it really depends on the person, and your diet. you can be a vegetarian your whole life and not have any of those issues. it's all about planning your diet correctly. otherwise you won't get proper nutrition. if you do it right, and are not predisposed to hormonal conditions, you will be fine.

as as for my previous quote, i wasn't saying everybody should stop eating meat. my point was that the U.S. in particular has been observed to consume an amount of meat that is much higher than necessary for proper nutrition. when you look at east Asian societies like japan and china, their diet is much lower in meats, and much higher in grains and vegetables. these countries are thinner, see less of certain types of cancer (such as prostate cancer), and heart disease. if we were to lower (not cut off) our meat intake, it would be beneficial to everybody. again i don't think meat is bad, i just don't agree with the production process.
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And just like you can "do vegetarian right", you can be a meat eater and do it right (much easier to do right and from a performance standpoint can't be beaten).

If you also look at Asian cultures, you'll notice that over 80% of the population has a specific enzyme that allows them handle carbohydrates significantly better than other cultures. One group of people that do not have that enzyme - Sumo Wrestlers (quite interesting in my opinion), which does allow them to gain significantly more weight on traditional Asian diets.

One reason you see less cancer and heart disease in those areas is due to a significantly lower amount of processed foods in their diet. The quality of food is significantly higher from a nutritional standpoint and has significantly lower concentrations of toxic byproducts than what we have in America.

Instead of lowering meat consumption, we should focus more on better production processes - personally I only eat grass fed/free roaming due to the better fat profile that it has and thus don't contribute to the current poor practices related to most meat production.
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I eat meat every day I think. I could never be a vegetarian, but I don't have anything against them. I don't understand why some people have a dislike for vegetarians. I guess people just don't like others who are different than them
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I'm more pragmatic than philosophical about the subject.

We are biologically supposed to have animal products somewhere. We're omnivores. If you stop eating all animal products, your body stops producing the enzymes to digest them. My friend's ex girlfriend couldn't eat something off of a plate that meat HAD been on without washing it first, or she'd start throwing up (without even knowing that meat had been on the plate).

People like to rant about protein. The fact is that you CAN get all 8 essential amino acids from non-animal sources. Type in "vegetarian bodybuilder" into google and look at the images.

So it all depends on how disciplined you wanna be and how much you can put up with planning out what you eat.
Posted 5/4/14
^ adding to what he said, why swear off all animal farmers? why does how the media puts it mean that you can't do the leg work to find a farm you can trust and do some follow ups. but it does not matter to me how i get my chicken lol
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