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Posted 5/4/14
Well, I was curious so I just checked the chicken brand that's very common in my state, I was right. They do try to do things correctly without chemicals and such. Or maybe I misread it... but the pictures and talking about family farming indicate I didn't. Gold'n Plump chicken.
Posted 5/4/14

Ouzoathena11 wrote:

Well, I was curious so I just checked the chicken brand that's very common in my state, I was right. They do try to do things correctly without chemicals and such. Or maybe I misread it... but the pictures and talking about family farming indicate I didn't. Gold'n Plump chicken.


that might be what they are marketing as, gives them an edge. there are, i believe, regulators that make sure what is written on the product translates to how they actually make their products and so your chicken might genuinely be umm chicken.
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I'm not really a moral vegetarian (actually I'm vegan), but I do it for the health benefits I think it gives me.
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Posted 5/10/14
Let's say we can make people stop selling meat. (Stopping the animal agriculture economy)

How will the economy affected ?
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tweety_cool wrote:

Let's say we can make people stop selling meat. (Stopping the animal agriculture economy)

How will the economy affected ?


Focusing primarily on employment in the US for a moment, you just put a rather large proportion of food manufacturing employees out of work. Food and beverage manufacturing accounted for just over 1% of US non-farm employment in 2011, and meat/poultry manufacture accounts for the largest share of those people. Between seafood and meat/poultry you're talking about 34% of food manufacturing employees in the US as of 2011 suddenly finding themselves without jobs. Of course, you've also damaged the shipping industry's employment since no one will be shipping meat/poultry/seafood products anymore. Then there's the hit to food retailers.

All in all, the policy would make a right mess of things. Everyone from fry cooks, to fishermen, to cattle ranchers, to meat packers would be absolutely livid.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/detail.aspx?chartId=40045&ref=collection&embed=True#.U3MHkHYhtdg
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Posted 5/14/14 , edited 3/30/15
i have not see one person say about a docmatory on this "food inc" witch tells the story of how are food is made and how animals are trended.
the on thing i still remember is that the biggest saluter house in the usa for pigs will end up crushing pigs. the put them in pens and jsut crush them to kill large packs of pigs i fine the most crules way to kill an animals if you ask me.
but then again i eat the same food even after seen show like that i still eat the meat. there just no way i could give up meat. but like other people have said just be aware is good enough in some casues. i am for one ok with people that are vegetarian but don't count on me that i will trun in to one grew up with meat so its not going to happen
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Posted 5/18/14 , edited 3/30/15
I'm vegetarian so I suppose I'm too biased to comment D:
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Posted 5/19/14
What can the vegetarian / vegan people propose to reduce the economical effect in abandoning animal agriculture?
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The problem with mass produced meat is the conditions in which those animals live and to what this leads - > they need antibiotics and other medicine to survive, secondly they receive food that makes them grow faster or produce more of something that is needed. Even if you don't give a damn about the suffering of those animals you are shoveling tons of antibiotics and unhealthy meat into your throat. You are what you eat.
The other problem is that there is barely any alternative to conventional meat or eggs or milk. You'll rarely find meat from animals that you know had a good life and were not kept 24/7 on some medicine. What they eat is what you shovel into yourself by eating them. That's the main problem at hand.
I think meat tastes good, and I like milk products and eggs, but I feel forced to stick to an almost vegan diet, because where I live there is no healthy alternative.
Secondly, yes...I personally do care about the animals and their suffering, and I think anybody who tries to make some analogy to the suffering of humans and how it is worse did not understand what's it all about. It's this alibistic way of excusing something for something because somewhere something is even worse or whatever.
Also, too much meat isn't healthy either. Especially super processed one. Rather buy yourself a good piece of quality meat once a month instead of eating some cheap stuff every day.
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Posted 5/21/14
1. Is there a study that show whether antibiotics / medicine / food that makes them grow faster, etc. are bad for our health
2. Is there a study that show whether antibiotics / medicine / food that makes them grow faster, etc. are retained long enough such that they are consumed by human.
3. Is there a study that show whether antibiotics / medicine / food that makes them grow faster, etc. are retained long enough such that they are consumed by human and actually survive our digestive system and affect our body.

Same argument can be made against eating vegetables, they contain pesticides and "other stuff" that we use to make them grow. Argument about natural or unnatural chemical sounds weird to me, since it is rarely discussed if "natural" chemicals are actually harmless.

animal suffering is very subjective, people care because they scream. or bleed like humans. If vegetables can scream we will start eating rocks.

So far the only legit argument i heard is the "global warming" argument. Even though I wonder how much of that is true.
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I actually like the healthy perspective, it has been proven that we don't need any meat to survive or even perform at extreme physical activities, there's a lot of marathon runners and professional athletes in general that are vegetarians.
Now, if you're a hipster that smokes cigarettes and don't eat meat because " the food industry is bad, maaan" then i think you should stop being a silly goose.
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I think it's awful how horribly the animals are treated..especially when they are already about to die..being a vegeterian makes sense and is a good choice.
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I used to care about the morals of meat farming, but I don't anymore. Meat is delicious. No matter how bad you make me feel, I still will not give up meat. So rather than feel guilt over eating, I've decided to distance myself from my food. A wolf doesn't think about a rabbit's feelings as it eats, or whether it lived a good life. Neither shall I.
I also find it really silly that people will separate types of meat. They'll be okay with the less intelligent shrimp or fish, but not with pork. What about octopi then? It's seafood. It's not cute. But it's just as intelligent as pigs. Would you eat octopi? If you're worried about your prey, worry about all of them, not just the ones that are convenient for you to pay attention to or ignore.
I think being a vegetarian's fine. But whether you're healthier for it depends on you. Just refusing to eat meat doesn't grant you health benefits, you have to pick and choose all the same. I could eat meat and you could not, but if both of our diets actually consists of sugary pastries anyway, it doesn't matter, we're both unhealthy.
So I'm okay with vegetarians. I'll make accommodations for vegetarian friends. But it's not the life for me.
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Posted 6/7/14 , edited 6/7/14

Hakuotter wrote:

I used to care about the morals of meat farming, but I don't anymore. Meat is delicious. No matter how bad you make me feel, I still will not give up meat. So rather than feel guilt over eating, I've decided to distance myself from my food. A wolf doesn't think about a rabbit's feelings as it eats, or whether it lived a good life. Neither shall I.
I also find it really silly that people will separate types of meat. They'll be okay with the less intelligent shrimp or fish, but not with pork. What about octopi then? It's seafood. It's not cute. But it's just as intelligent as pigs. Would you eat octopi? If you're worried about your prey, worry about all of them, not just the ones that are convenient for you to pay attention to or ignore.
I think being a vegetarian's fine. But whether you're healthier for it depends on you. Just refusing to eat meat doesn't grant you health benefits, you have to pick and choose all the same. I could eat meat and you could not, but if both of our diets actually consists of sugary pastries anyway, it doesn't matter, we're both unhealthy.
So I'm okay with vegetarians. I'll make accommodations for vegetarian friends. But it's not the life for me.


That wolf analogy gave me cancer.
Also, meat, regardless which one you're eating is unhealthy, your body takes ridiculous amount of hours to start digesting it, it has fat in it, you can have some serious health problems if you just straight up eat meat and nothing else, no salad, no vegetables, the only excuse i see people using to eat meat besides being delicious is the amount of protein, but guess what, vegetables can provide as many grams of proteins as you need in a day, by the way i love meat and i eat it all the time, but your logic is really stupid.
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I'm sorry if my unsympathetic views on eating animals makes me seem less than human, but I'm not going to change it. Half of my post was an opinion on the morals of eating meat. My only logical point was the last, and I fail to see how any of that doesn't work.
Yes, of course you would have health problems just eating meat! You'd also have health problems just eating broccoli or nothing but fruit or bread. Did you miss the whole part where I said a balanced diet played more a factor in health than deciding whether or not you were vegetarian? The decision to swear off meat doesn't mean jiggly if you decide you only need to eat tofu to survive.
And yes, you can get the same amount from vegetables, and this is where choice comes in! Do you want to eat a ton of vegetables, or a beef patty? Who cares? It's your meal! Not mine!

Both vegetarians and omnivores survive perfectly well, and simply switching over to vegetables does not immediately give you a huge power boost. If it did, none of us would be eating meat now. It's not a magic solution. Staying a meat eater can be just as healthy, and if it isn't, the difference is so minimal, it won't impact your life that much. Going green or not is a choice, and I don't really care what argument either side has. Even if you tell me not to eat that chocolate bar because it'll melt my molars off, I will still eat it.
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