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Otakus and Weeaboos: where is the fine line?
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Well, during my high school years. I was really fascinated with programming in general and nearly at the end of my senior semester, i started watching anime. I only liked a certain genre because the others don't really fit me. So basically, I liked computers & programming way before I even started watching anime, but the word "Otaku" refers to someone who has fascinations with computer and the Japanese life style.

I find it very insulting for these weeaboos/Otakus who say that they're into computers. I mean I don't really care what you like, I can careless. But when you start to put all of these random things into the picture because you watch a large amount of anime and have no fascination with computers kind of insults the profession that I'm going into.

I'm on a lot of coding and programming forums on the internet and half of the people there are just all copy&paste. 90% of them use codes that are deprecated and from 1990's. 50% of them can't even fix their own codes to save their life.

People say "coding and programming is easy" and give my profession a really bad rep because they watch it in an anime and think it's just as easy, but it's not really.

The first step to programming is "security". If your code is easy to get injected, you're website is broken for life. All someone needs is a file path and your website is hacked. That's why the IT area should be miss interpreted because these weeaboos/Otakus has a false fascination with the IT field.

I don't mean to lecture or preach, it's just how I see it when it comes to the word "Otaku". You can still love an anime without being an "Otaku" or "Weeaboo". Just don't pretend you know anything about computers if you have no idea what the IT field is.

Good quote I found a while back "If you don't act like this in real life. Don't act like this on the internet."
Posted 10/29/14 , edited 10/29/14
think it has something to do with people who are too extra... (extreme). calm down folks, don't make things into a big deal. it just makes you, as an individual, part of some weird collective... that's probably not what you seek. trying to separate your worth compromises publicly your identity. just watch a commercial and see if it interest you and why. on display, are you? no. don't become dependent on something that's not worth it.
Posted 10/31/14 , edited 10/31/14
Some people can't control their need to strongly identify with either anime subculture or japanese culture . Its foreign to what they knew growing up and its refreshing and exciting. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking it, but sometimes ppl do that with a new religion.
I agree that they just need not take it too far in excess.
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Posted 11/1/14 , edited 11/1/14
OK, so I combed through all the posts in this thread, hoping to see a post that had the correct connotational history of the word "otaku" in Japan, and I was a more than a little surprised that I did not find it!

The word "otaku" in Japanese simply means "fan." Depending on the sentence in which it is used, it can refer to a fan of guns, cars, Hello Kitty, stamps, coins, anime, manga, plants, vegetables, animals, snails, absolutely anything under the sun. In the past, it was actually a term that one would only use in reference to a fan who was so much a fan of whatever they were a fan of so as to be considered an expert on the subject, and so it was NOT a derogatory term.

It was only due to the unfortunate finding of large anime/manga collections belonging to a couple of well-publicized criminals in the '70s, and the subsequent use of the word "otaku" being used to describe them in news reports that it became popular for school children to use the word as a put-down. More recently, the word otaku has begun to recover from this unreasonable negative connotation in Japan, and largely only still suffers from this case of mistaken identity outside of Japan.

Weeaboos, by my definition, are anyone, in the name of fandom, bless their little enthusiastic hearts, who commit the following (all or any, weeabooism isn't an all or nothing kind of thing, it can be done in degrees):

1) slaughter the language of the culture of their fandom: "kon'chiwaaaa mina-SAMAAAAA!!!! OHAIO!" (which is it? am or pm? & you can't POSSIBLY be serious, calling ALL of us -sama???? not too mention, I should be given an award just for being able to interpret that thru all those spelling errors!!!)

2) believe stereotypes about the people who live in the country of their fandom (all Japs are like SUPER pervy, right? or all Japs still have a chip on their shoulder about WWII, ofc - MAJIDE?!!!)

3) in general, fails to take the time someone who is seriously enamorate of a place would take to LEARN - from reliable sources - about its language, culture, traditions, and history. That is a weeaboo.

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Posted 11/1/14 , edited 11/1/14
So this kid at my school who's Vietnamese but takes so much pride in being Asian. He's only ever involved with the Japanese club and related things at my school and fancies himself with Japanese culture. I don't what you call that but that should be an epitome for an answer you have.
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Posted 11/2/14
Well hold up everyone think about the word karaoke now where did that come from?
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Otaku means "house". The cultural connotation means a devoted fan, but that's not the meaning of the word.

Weeaboo is a stupid, made up word.

Your use of the word "Jap" is offensive. Stop it.
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Posted 11/5/14 , edited 11/5/14

KurisuSensei wrote:
Otaku means "house". The cultural connotation means a devoted fan, but that's not the meaning of the word.
Weeaboo is a stupid, made up word.
Your use of the word "Jap" is offensive. Stop it.


A) IF we had been talking about the etymology of the word otaku, it does indeed mean house, as in clan or family, or tribe. I was referring to its use in modern Japanese language, currently. Well, I was hoping to save everyone from this, but I feel my best response in light of this disrespectful crackerjack one I've received is nothing short of an overwhelming scholarly rebuttal.

B) I'll help you out, since you're probably wondering why I am feeling a touch disrespected: you see, I can tell, quite clearly, from your response, that you didn't actually pay one bit of attention or even try to comprehend what you were reading while reading my post. Otherwise, you never would have said that MY use of the word "Jap" is offensive. It should have been quite obvious that I was using Jap in the context of examples of the types of stereotypes a weeaboo believes NOT stating my own beliefs. You fail at Common Sense & Consideration 101, back to Remedial Being a Human Being 1A with you, shoo, shoo.

C) OK back to my rebuttal: I research things, I like to research things, A LOT. My friends would tell you that's the understatement of the century, actually. On the subject of the definition of the word "otaku," here is a PARTIAL list of my references:
ON THIS LIST: I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE FIRST TWO ARTICLES TO ANYONE WHO CONSIDERS THEMSELVES A SERIOUS ANIME FAN!

And, last but far from least, the unfortunate image that can arguably be credited with starting all the nonsense about otaku being a insult (it's the photo of Miyazaki Tsutomu's home, released in news in the days after his arrest).


I was trying to be considerate, not flinging this s***storm of information at the board, previously. However, in light of Kurisu's uglified and rather over-simplified response for the Extended Discussions boards, I thought it best to define what is meant by a truly "extended discussion."
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Posted 11/5/14
That's an easy one, though off-topic: Karaoke means "empty orchestra"
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Posted 11/8/14 , edited 11/8/14



That's nice. How well do you speak Japanese? Have you any first hand experience with it?

The word is very much commonly used to mean house, or one of a number of other common meanings. The word in the usage you speak of is slang, which is also in common usage, but is not in any way the exclusive, or even preferred term for the word.

I didn't care for your ridiculous definition not because I fail common sense, consideration, or written comprehension, but because the entire thing is based on armchair education based on online slang taken entirely from English speakers on the internet observing a small portion of Japanese culture and language through the lens of cultural export.

Stop trying to sound like you have some sort of logical fallacy to tear to shreds. You are giving definitions to stupid and derivative words that have no actual meaning in Japanese language or culture. "Weeaboo" is not a word. It never has been. It certainly isn't a word in Japanese. If you want to use an actual Japanese word for it, you could probably use an actual term, such as 親日 (Shinnichi - 親 intimate with/related to 日 Japan [actually the kanji for sun which is often used as a reference to Japan]), meaning someone who is strangely in love with Japan. At least then you might have an actual word to start from and not a meme taken from an old comic about paddling people's buttcheeks.


Your example of a fake, made-up, completely stupid word from Urban Dictionary did not require a racially derogatory word. Throw in the word "kike", or "nigger" to your example. Is it still acceptable? I would think not.
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Posted 11/28/14 , edited 11/28/14
Hold on a second, this whole thread is ABOUT what the definition of otaku AND weeaboo are, not whether or not they're accepted terms. I was saying that a weeaboo would use a racial slur like jap, NOT implying that I would use the slur myself. Also, an otaku wouldn't use the word jap. They'd probably say nihon-jin, otoko, onna, kare, or something like that. Is it entirely possible that you really have misunderstood me, and are now stuck on being opposed to anything I say, no matter what???

EDIT: actually, this thread is about where to draw the line between otaku and weeaboo behavior, even moreso proving my point - my original response delineated specific behaviors that could be attributed to otaku, and those that could be attributed to weeaboo. that is all.

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KurisuSensei wrote:

Your example of a fake, made-up, completely stupid word from Urban Dictionary..."
Just thought I should point out that colloquial words get added to the lexicon on a regular basis, so you really shouldn't take the Urban Dictionary quite so lightly. This has happened as a matter of course throughout history, but here are some examples for you:

Shakespeare made up words all the time in his plays that we now consider commonplace, but at the time they were thought to be crazy talk:
http://mentalfloss.com/article/48657/20-words-we-owe-william-shakespeare

This article, entitled "Oxford dictionary adds “twerk,” “derp,” “selfie,” “phablet,” and more voguish vocabulary", was published August 28, 2013:
http://qz.com/119200/oxford-dictionary-adds-twerk-derp-selfie-phablet-and-more-voguish-vocabulary/
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There really isn't a fine line. If you observe them, they're completely different in both concept and existence. Weeaboos are disgusting people who shame their own culture in favour of another that they most likely know next to nothing about, and think they're of that culture as opposed to what they were born into. Otakus I really don't know how to describe because I don't know any personally.
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shukujo wrote:

Hold on a second, this whole thread is ABOUT what the definition of otaku AND weeaboo are, not whether or not they're accepted terms. I was saying that a weeaboo would use a racial slur like jap, NOT implying that I would use the slur myself. Also, an otaku wouldn't use the word jap. They'd probably say nihon-jin, otoko, onna, kare, or something like that. Is it entirely possible that you really have misunderstood me, and are now stuck on being opposed to anything I say, no matter what???

EDIT: actually, this thread is about where to draw the line between otaku and weeaboo behavior, even moreso proving my point - my original response delineated specific behaviors that could be attributed to otaku, and those that could be attributed to weeaboo. that is all.

EDIT:

KurisuSensei wrote:

Your example of a fake, made-up, completely stupid word from Urban Dictionary..."
Just thought I should point out that colloquial words get added to the lexicon on a regular basis, so you really shouldn't take the Urban Dictionary quite so lightly. This has happened as a matter of course throughout history, but here are some examples for you:

Shakespeare made up words all the time in his plays that we now consider commonplace, but at the time they were thought to be crazy talk:
http://mentalfloss.com/article/48657/20-words-we-owe-william-shakespeare

This article, entitled "Oxford dictionary adds “twerk,” “derp,” “selfie,” “phablet,” and more voguish vocabulary", was published August 28, 2013:
http://qz.com/119200/oxford-dictionary-adds-twerk-derp-selfie-phablet-and-more-voguish-vocabulary/


I was saying that there is no distinction because "weeaboo" is not a word in English and it sure as goddamn hell isn't one in Japanese.

Yes, new words are added all the time. Shakespeare invented many words. I know all of this and I'm confident enough to say I likely know that better than you, or most people on this board. But it doesn't change the fact that the entire question is based on the existence of a sub-culture that doesn't exist. There's no such thing as a weeaboo and waxing intellectual about it doesn't change the fact that there's no such thing.
Posted 12/4/14
Weaboos is a term I feel that people use for fans of works they don't like.
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People in Japan also have disagreements on what terms like otaku mean. Just saying.
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