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FCC New Rules For The Internet Will Kill The Internet We Know
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Posted 5/13/14 , edited 5/13/14

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Basically. Take Netflix as an example. Say right now you pay $8 a month to watch as many movies as you want. Now they can't stream the movies as well because they are being slowed down. They have to pay to increase their ability to stream the movie and since they don't want to eat that cost they will then have to bump up the monthly payment. That's my understanding of it all anyway.


What a load of shit. So now we have to pay for broadband AND the internet as well? I already get 1 megabyte a second as it is, without the problem being made even worse.


Yea, it's definitely not good which is why a lot of companies are fighting it. The good news is that the FCC chairman, Wheeler, is actually listening and revising his plans. That's the only good thing I can say about the guy. To be honest I don't think he should be given authority over such issues since he is clearly biased since he was a lobbyist for the same cable and wireless companies that stand to profit from these "fast lanes". That's just the way it always seems to be though.


Well here's hoping that we don't end up having to pay to use it. In the area where I live I'm lucky to get 1mbps like I said. It constantly goes down and we have to pay around £200 or more than $300 for it since this is our first year with them. As if we should need to pay even more. Also this is appearing in a quote box and I've no clue why.
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Posted 5/13/14 , edited 5/13/14

justanotherguy_2005 wrote:


BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:




Basically. Take Netflix as an example. Say right now you pay $8 a month to watch as many movies as you want. Now they can't stream the movies as well because they are being slowed down. They have to pay to increase their ability to stream the movie and since they don't want to eat that cost they will then have to bump up the monthly payment. That's my understanding of it all anyway.


What a load of shit. So now we have to pay for broadband AND the internet as well? I already get 1 megabyte a second as it is, without the problem being made even worse.


Yea, it's definitely not good which is why a lot of companies are fighting it. The good news is that the FCC chairman, Wheeler, is actually listening and revising his plans. That's the only good thing I can say about the guy. To be honest I don't think he should be given authority over such issues since he is clearly biased since he was a lobbyist for the same cable and wireless companies that stand to profit from these "fast lanes". That's just the way it always seems to be though.


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From the government involvement angle... they are already involved by licensing out the public infrastructure rights in such a way that limits competition... there is legislation in places popping up in an attempt to stop Google Fiber from spreading. They don't want competition...

After Net Neutrality and 'fast lanes' their next order of business is applying the data cap pricing model to home internet connections.


I think I would seriously consider murder if it helped bring Google Fiber to my area.

...I love my Google Overlords.

(Bolded part) What do you mean by that exactly?


After an earthquake in Haiti Verizon deployed some 3G/4G modem units as a temporary infrastructure with not only speed caps but data caps. Comments from their executives suggested they wanted to try this on a mass scale and even suggested that their customers would WANT this. The article was from over a year ago so I don't have a link. If they were to introduce this other ISPs would be compelled to follow suit. I also believe Verizon does have some crazy restrictions in AU as well though I can't confirm that.

The '96 telecommunications act was pushed by some ISPs back in the day and they made claims of upgrading infrastructure and rolling out fiber to the home by 2000(ish).... they pocketed the cash and we still don't have it.

Where is Google? GIGABIT FOR ALL! HAIL GOOGLE!
Posted 5/13/14

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After an earthquake in Haiti Verizon deployed some 3G/4G modem units as a temporary infrastructure with not only speed caps but data caps. Comments from their executives suggested they wanted to try this on a mass scale and even suggested that their customers would WANT this. The article was from over a year ago so I don't have a link. If they were to introduce this other ISPs would be compelled to follow suit. I also believe Verizon does have some crazy restrictions in AU as well though I can't confirm that.


Ah. I was curious because the internet provider we use already caps our data based on what speed we pay for. Currently we are supposed to get 22Mbps and are capped at 250gb a month. We only really found out about it when we got dangerously close to going over last month. It was not a fun fact considering how many games I like to download from time to time.
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justanotherguy_2005 wrote:


GreatLordBalzak wrote:



After an earthquake in Haiti Verizon deployed some 3G/4G modem units as a temporary infrastructure with not only speed caps but data caps. Comments from their executives suggested they wanted to try this on a mass scale and even suggested that their customers would WANT this. The article was from over a year ago so I don't have a link. If they were to introduce this other ISPs would be compelled to follow suit. I also believe Verizon does have some crazy restrictions in AU as well though I can't confirm that.


Ah. I was curious because the internet provider we use already caps our data based on what speed we pay for. Currently we are supposed to get 22Mbps and are capped at 250gb a month. We only really found out about it when we got dangerously close to going over last month. It was not a fun fact considering how many games I like to download from time to time.


Oh wow, so it already has begun... sneaky bastards...
Posted 5/13/14

GreatLordBalzak wrote:


justanotherguy_2005 wrote:


GreatLordBalzak wrote:



After an earthquake in Haiti Verizon deployed some 3G/4G modem units as a temporary infrastructure with not only speed caps but data caps. Comments from their executives suggested they wanted to try this on a mass scale and even suggested that their customers would WANT this. The article was from over a year ago so I don't have a link. If they were to introduce this other ISPs would be compelled to follow suit. I also believe Verizon does have some crazy restrictions in AU as well though I can't confirm that.


Ah. I was curious because the internet provider we use already caps our data based on what speed we pay for. Currently we are supposed to get 22Mbps and are capped at 250gb a month. We only really found out about it when we got dangerously close to going over last month. It was not a fun fact considering how many games I like to download from time to time.


Oh wow, so it already has begun... sneaky bastards...


Yep. Even satellite companies have joined in on the data caps. Not just cable companies. On one of the radio stations I listen to they briefly discussed how they go with different satellite companies and how they have caps as well. It's a very unfortunate trend.
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doesnt something like this need support from the people to back it!!!!!



i will probably get reported for that hahahaha
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It's all terrible, isn't it?

I believe the Internet as a whole has known seriously about this for about the last 3 Years...but hasn't known exactly what to do about it. I can only hope that the Celebrity Internet users...
...well, at least their BANK Accounts have something at all to say about this, because at the worst of it, it's an absolute and terrible; perhaps THE MOST brutal and cantankerous assault on "Freedom of Speech" that I can think of, right off the top of My head.

Greed knows no boundaries. Freedom, as it was MEANT to be, is all but absolutely no more in the Days that We live. And I can only fear for those with Children, that the World in which THEY will inherit will be that much worse. One Day not too far off, Our legacy is going to look back and think "WTF?" May the Flying Spaghetti Monster help Us all...Ramen.
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x-Cellar_Door-x wrote:

It's all terrible, isn't it?

I believe the Internet as a whole has known seriously about this for about the last 3 Years...but hasn't known exactly what to do about it. I can only hope that the Celebrity Internet users...
...well, at least their BANK Accounts have something at all to say about this, because at the worst of it, it's an absolute and terrible; perhaps THE MOST brutal and cantankerous assault on "Freedom of Speech" that I can think of, right off the top of My head.

Greed knows no boundaries. Freedom, as it was MEANT to be, is all but absolutely no more in the Days that We live. And I can only fear for those with Children, that the World in which THEY will inherit will be that much worse. One Day not too far off, Our legacy is going to look back and think "WTF?" May the Flying Spaghetti Monster help Us all...Ramen.


We can't directly do anything but we can call en mass to the correct representatives based on congressional districts. (google the districts in your state to determine who to contact)... they are the one's that is supposed to fight on our behalf, if they get a hint they could be losing lots of support they should speak out on the issue
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Basically. Take Netflix as an example. Say right now you pay $8 a month to watch as many movies as you want. Now they can't stream the movies as well because they are being slowed down. They have to pay to increase their ability to stream the movie and since they don't want to eat that cost they will then have to bump up the monthly payment. That's my understanding of it all anyway.


What a load of shit. So now we have to pay for broadband AND the internet as well? I already get 1 megabyte a second as it is, without the problem being made even worse.


Your speed isn't the problem, it's the bandwidth that is being limited. There will probably be some bandwidth limit you can get depending on the site you visit so places that use lots of bandwidth like Netflix will probably lag quite a bit unless they pay the ISP to not throttle them. So, they will pay that and pass the price to you as a customer. This means you'll have to pay more for internet service and more for your streaming services. Also, there is a very high chance if you have a basic internet package such as you seem to have with 1 MB/s you'll probably have an extremely low bandwidth limit and if you go over that limit you'll either be throttled to death until you call your ISP to upgrade your service or they could just charge you for more bandwidth altogether. This also applies to data plans. Companies can limit your data to some low number and if you go over it would be like going over on a cellphone you would be charged crazy fees for each additional data you use. Some companies already do the data part, but FCC rules are talking about bandwidth. ISP's don't like having to give customers too much bandwidth because it means they can only have so many customers reliably. So, they want to limit your bandwidth to force you to upgrade your package and also so they can bring in more customers using the same amount of data and bandwidth.
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BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:




Basically. Take Netflix as an example. Say right now you pay $8 a month to watch as many movies as you want. Now they can't stream the movies as well because they are being slowed down. They have to pay to increase their ability to stream the movie and since they don't want to eat that cost they will then have to bump up the monthly payment. That's my understanding of it all anyway.


What a load of shit. So now we have to pay for broadband AND the internet as well? I already get 1 megabyte a second as it is, without the problem being made even worse.


Your speed isn't the problem, it's the bandwidth that is being limited. There will probably be some bandwidth limit you can get depending on the site you visit so places that use lots of bandwidth like Netflix will probably lag quite a bit unless they pay the ISP to not throttle them. So, they will pay that and pass the price to you as a customer. This means you'll have to pay more for internet service and more for your streaming services. Also, there is a very high chance if you have a basic internet package such as you seem to have with 1 MB/s you'll probably have an extremely low bandwidth limit and if you go over that limit you'll either be throttled to death until you call your ISP to upgrade your service or they could just charge you for more bandwidth altogether. This also applies to data plans. Companies can limit your data to some low number and if you go over it would be like going over on a cellphone you would be charged crazy fees for each additional data you use. Some companies already do the data part, but FCC rules are talking about bandwidth. ISP's don't like having to give customers too much bandwidth because it means they can only have so many customers reliably. So, they want to limit your bandwidth to force you to upgrade your package and also so they can bring in more customers using the same amount of data and bandwidth.


Nope. I'm paying for 18 mb/s but my internet providers are terrible. I live in the one area of the country that's limited by an area called Kingston Communications and they're terrible. I moved on from the basic package but they still only give out 1mb/s. It's just that now I get 100 GB a month instead of 24GB. Hopefully it should get better, since the problem was reported so much that I think late last year they said they're putting £5 million towards making the services better. It's not just me, it's everyone in the area I live in gets the same shit.
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Nope. I'm paying for 18 mb/s but my internet providers are terrible. I live in the one area of the country that's limited by an area called Kingston Communications and they're terrible. I moved on from the basic package but they still only give out 1mb/s. It's just that now I get 100 GB a month instead of 24GB. Hopefully it should get better, since the problem was reported so much that I think late last year they said they're putting £5 million towards making the services better.


So, you are being limited in data to 100 GB a month? That sucks. My old ISP used to be unlimited data and bandwidth until they sold to TWC they have a secret bandwidth limit with no data cap raised my bill and reduced my DL speed. Then they sold to some other company when we transfer to that company we will be at 250 GB data and a hidden bandwidth limit. When I asked what the limit was they didn't say a number but they said it is definitely a limit and if I upgrade it will raise the data and bandwidth limit. Paying $75 a month for internet.
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Nope. I'm paying for 18 mb/s but my internet providers are terrible. I live in the one area of the country that's limited by an area called Kingston Communications and they're terrible. I moved on from the basic package but they still only give out 1mb/s. It's just that now I get 100 GB a month instead of 24GB. Hopefully it should get better, since the problem was reported so much that I think late last year they said they're putting £5 million towards making the services better.


So, you are being limited in data to 100 GB a month? That sucks. My old ISP used to be unlimited data and bandwidth until they sold to TWC they have a secret bandwidth limit with no data cap raised my bill and reduced my DL speed. Then they sold to some other company when we transfer to that company we will be at 250 GB data and a hidden bandwidth limit. When I asked what the limit was they didn't say a number but they said it is definitely a limit and if I upgrade it will raise the data and bandwidth limit. Paying $75 a month for internet.


I have a friend who had Unlimited Internet, but later it turned out it wasn't really unlimited, and he worked up quite a fee. But yeah, our provider sucks ass. My dad has had a go at them over the phone before and made the good point of how if it were anyone else offering a service then never fully delivering what they promised then they'd be in trouble with the law. Hopefully their little overhaul with the few million they've got will help, but I don't know when the upgrade will kick into effect. My grandma pointed out that she read it in her newspaper and brought it up because she knows we've had a lot of problems with out internet, but I don't think it stated when they were going to be finished improving the service. Oh I could tell you many long and annoying stories of how frustrating they can be. As of right now, on Windows 7, the little chart in the bottom right indicating the connection strength never goes higher than 3 bars. It's more often than not stuck at 2. There was a time when it could hit 4 or 5 but it still never exceeded 1mb/s. Though even outside where I am, I've heard that the UK has some of the worst internet in general, it just so happens that I'm in the worst part for internet provision, in a country that already has it bad.
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The internet never forgets
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I think if the FCC does remove Internet Neutrality the internet as a whole will boycott their ISP until it gets revoked. There is a massive power in boycotting.
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What a pain in the ass, I say we screw it and make Google our supreme overlords. Well as long as they take down those F-ASSHOLE ISP BITCHES and their goddamn fees everywhere (might as well charge me for taking a dump).

I nominate Google to take over
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