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Is anime getting better or worse?
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Firstly, this is a very intelligent counter argument. And I can see where you're coming from. However, I think it's given from a point that I'm making assumptions, that artists will overcome the inherent difficulties mentioned, in order to produce great anime. When in actuality, I believe they've proven that they already have done that very thing. Obviously, not everyone and as a whole, but if you look at the number of masterful animes, the ones that get the most acclaim, 90% of them come from the last 15 years.

Let's use ANN's rating system as an example (but you could use MAL or any other place that accumulates overall user ratings.) I personally like ANN, as discovering their encyclopedia dramatically improved my anime viewing experience. But, consider the top 10.
Stein;Gate (2011), FMA: Brotherhood (2010), Clannad (2008), Rurouni Kenshin (1996), The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya (2010) Code Geass (2006-2008), Spirited Away (2001), Cowboy Bebop (1998), Princess Mononoke (1997), Legend of the Galactic Heroes (1988).

Not only is there only one vintage entry in the top 10, in Legend of the Galactic Heroes, you won't find another anime from the 80's until you get all the way down to #94. (Maison Ikkoku from 1986). It's the same on any rankings you look at. It's also the same when it comes to who gets the official awards and recognition from the industry, not just user rankings on websites. Even the most popular animes in history, not just the most critically acclaimed, are from the 90's and up. One Piece, Naruto, Pokemon, etc... Even Dragonball Z, which took the Dragonball franchise to meteoric heights didn't kick off until the very end of 1989.

The industry has already borne out the fact that it produces higher quality, better respected, more profitable and more critically acclaimed anime. And it's definitely not a situation, in my opinion, where the current generation doesn't have the same appreciation for quality as the previous generation and just think more highly of mediocre work. The artform isn't that old, yet. I believe it just generally is better and more creative work.

Citing popular opinion doesn't really work when the people with those opinions haven't even seen anything older than 1995. Just wanted to point that out. Even finding mid-90s anime that isn't super famous is a pain in the neck.

Not taking sides, it's just that if the best anime ever made is a hidden gem from 1983 or whatever, we'd never know.

And now I'm finding a ton of old cyberpunk and fantasy OVAs I want to watch but will never find. Blah.
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its getting better
the stories are getting more diverse as to avoid being repetitive or obvious a few examples are attack on titan, one piece,kill la kill, witch craft works, and coffin princess to name a few that have an interesting premise
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Insomnist wrote:

And now I'm finding a ton of old cyberpunk and fantasy OVAs I want to watch but will never find. Blah.


I know, sucks right?
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I could make this reply long but the short answer is...

Depends on what you like/take out of anime.
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Citing popular opinion doesn't really work when the people with those opinions haven't even seen anything older than 1995. Just wanted to point that out. Even finding mid-90s anime that isn't super famous is a pain in the neck.

Not taking sides, it's just that if the best anime ever made is a hidden gem from 1983 or whatever, we'd never know.

And now I'm finding a ton of old cyberpunk and fantasy OVAs I want to watch but will never find. Blah.


I think popular opinion is a valid measurement for greatness. I mean, exactly what defines greatness in entertainment if not those who view it? When you look at who is handing out these awards and making these reviews, etc... It's usually die hards who know the ins and outs of the classics as well. And I think the fact that there are many fans who may never have seen an anime before 1995 speaks to the greatness of anime after 1995. It means that before, anime overall wasn't good enough to be given a platform to draw tons of fans, whereas now it does. In this respect, I will compare it to Hollywood. Think about really, really old movies that are considered the greatest of all time. Citizen Kane, Taxi Driver, The Good The Bad and The Ugly (Which I just watched the other day and is awesome.), The Ten Commandments, Casablanca, movies like this.

Because they are great and universally loved, even 50-60 years after they were made, the platform is still there for them to be seen and people search them out, because of their reputation. And because of their greatness, they are still made available with ease through today's media platforms. Netflix, Hulu, Redbox, or television. But other movies that came out during their time that might have sucked or were just good or mediocre, nobody even knows what they are.

If an older anime is truly a universally acclaimed classic, it's nearly impossible for it to fade into obscurity. Too many people will have seen it, loved it and told others about it, and it would spread and be preserved. It's why you can go to any number of websites and still watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Touch, Iga No Kabamaru and Maison Ikkoku. They were great, so they were preserved. So, basically, what I'm saying is that if those 80's cyberpunk animes were truly better than Code Geass or Cowboy Bebop, we'd still see them. The fact that they aren't around, pretty much speaks to itself that they weren't great enough to be preserved. Maybe good, but not great. And I'm not knocking 80's cyberpunk. I love some 80's cyberpunk, man. Dirty Pair, Bubblegum Crisis, Neo-Tokyo, Akira. Those were the bomb coming up.
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It's ever-changing like the sky.
As for the better or for worse, who knows
The time will decide.
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Nevermind, this was largely academic and I agree with you in any case.
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From the newer ones I've seen from the past two years, it's getting better, not only in visual quality.
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Shrapnel893 wrote:


Insomnist wrote:

And now I'm finding a ton of old cyberpunk and fantasy OVAs I want to watch but will never find. Blah.
I know, sucks right?
I'm actually finding a ton of them on Youtube of all places. Worth checking out if you're hunting for any.
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Anime as far as animation style and fluidity goes has gotten much better but alot of today's anime just cannot beat the well written/acted anime of a decade or 2 ago. However there is some exceptions(Attack on Titan,Gargantia, ect.)that are really good shows so it can go both ways I guess.
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It depends on whats airing each season. Some seasons are worse than others, but for the past year I say the amount of shows I watch its getting better. I want to watch a huge chunk of shows next season, but since I'll have a job by then I'm focusing on the shows I really love or stick out to me more than the rest since I have garbage speeds in the evenings. xD

I stay away from moe school girls, harem, and ecchi stuff unless they have an interesting premise or got exceptionally good reviews (examples include KamiNomi, Kore wa Zombie Desu ka?, Hataraku Maou-sama, and Sora no Otoshimono.)
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It's kind of hard to say. There have always been good and bad anime no matter the time period. That really applies to all mediums be they games, music or films. Overall I think it's gotten better. There's better animation, like 'em or not dubs are definitely better than in the 80's and 90's, and there's a larger selection that's easier to access these days. Obviously you get a few shows that are crap or all really similar to one another, but there's plenty of good stuff out there, too; its always been that way.
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Hard gauge. I'd like to think better because it's being excepted everywhere as mainstream or at least more here in the uk.

There's even less time now for dubs being made after the subs release. With space dandy having dub and sub release simultaneously, we could see more anime having dual releases.

It is however harder to have an original story these days since so many already exist and unlikely to get older anime on release outside japan.
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The internet tells me that it is getting worse.
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I don't think it's getting better or worse at all. I just think some years are better than others for anime. I think most of us can agree that 2013 was a pretty terrible year for anime overall but that doesn't mean this year will be.
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