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Is anime getting better or worse?
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Posted 6/23/14 , edited 6/23/14
they're exactly the same. people just love to be anime hipsters.
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Posted 6/23/14

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Most people tend to have a rather filtered view of past anime.


Yep...just like every other medium.

People don't remember the bad shows from 10+ years ago, because they were bad, so they weren't memorable. You couldn't easily find everything on the internet back then, so they may have never seen the bad shows in the first place; now, pretty much everything is on Crunchyroll or Hulu. And, of course, there's good old nostalgia, making whatever you saw first or at a young age seem better than everything you see afterward.

Years from now, people will still be complaining about all the recent anime sucking, but they'll have mysteriously decided that somewhere around 2010-2015 was the golden age.
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Posted 6/23/14

kotomikun wrote:


TheAncientOne wrote:
Most people tend to have a rather filtered view of past anime.


Yep...just like every other medium.

People don't remember the bad shows from 10+ years ago, because they were bad, so they weren't memorable. You couldn't easily find everything on the internet back then, so they may have never seen the bad shows in the first place; now, pretty much everything is on Crunchyroll or Hulu. And, of course, there's good old nostalgia, making whatever you saw first or at a young age seem better than everything you see afterward.

Years from now, people will still be complaining about all the recent anime sucking, but they'll have mysteriously decided that somewhere around 2010-2015 was the golden age.


Yeah that's pretty much it. The amount of anime actually worth watching has been pretty consistent and since that stuff is the only stuff worth talking about I haven't had any problem being entertained (been watching since early 2000's and rented a bunch of stuff from whenever from Blockbuster when I could). Not to mention the nostalgia vision tends to make hypocrites out of people. I once saw a guy utterly harp and totally trash talk AoT's pacing.... then to immediately defend the poor pacing of DBZ. Because when this earlier series did something wrong it was okay but when this newer series did it it's terrible and should be brought out to the backyard and shot because.... reasons.
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Posted 6/23/14

JadeAmberTwins wrote:


kotomikun wrote:


TheAncientOne wrote:
Most people tend to have a rather filtered view of past anime.


Yep...just like every other medium.

People don't remember the bad shows from 10+ years ago, because they were bad, so they weren't memorable. You couldn't easily find everything on the internet back then, so they may have never seen the bad shows in the first place; now, pretty much everything is on Crunchyroll or Hulu. And, of course, there's good old nostalgia, making whatever you saw first or at a young age seem better than everything you see afterward.

Years from now, people will still be complaining about all the recent anime sucking, but they'll have mysteriously decided that somewhere around 2010-2015 was the golden age.


Yeah that's pretty much it. The amount of anime actually worth watching has been pretty consistent and since that stuff is the only stuff worth talking about I haven't had any problem being entertained (been watching since early 2000's and rented a bunch of stuff from whenever from Blockbuster when I could). Not to mention the nostalgia vision tends to make hypocrites out of people. I once saw a guy utterly harp and totally trash talk AoT's pacing.... then to immediately defend the poor pacing of DBZ. Because when this earlier series did something wrong it was okay but when this newer series did it it's terrible and should be brought out to the backyard and shot because.... reasons.


He really defended DBZ's pacing?...ok then.

We have access to so much more anime now, where before I could only see a very select bunch. Going back and watching older stuff you sometimes realise is was not as good as you remember it.
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Posted 6/23/14
Not better or worse but definitely different.
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nerder wrote:

Not better or worse but definitely different.


Yeah, pretty much this. There has always been bad anime and good anime every year since it all started. It is all about shifts in what is popular is all. Sure, there are way too many harem series or moe-blob series these days, more than is necessary for sure (most of which are not even really that good.) But that is just a fad that will eventually shift like it always does. There are still plenty of great anime every season, you just need to be more... selective with what you want to watch.
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Posted 6/23/14
Both better and worse imo.

It's getting ever more ritualized and worked down to a marketed 'perfection', which is kind of terrible.

At the same time, production quality is worlds ahead of prior years, and there are a few truly stunning shows that slip through the corporate wall every year.
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He really defended DBZ's pacing?...ok then.

We have access to so much more anime now, where before I could only see a very select bunch. Going back and watching older stuff you sometimes realise is was not as good as you remember it.


Yeah it was pretty hysterical cause the guy seemed ready to crucify AoT for this flaw but when someone pointed to DBZ (I think he had a Goku avatar or something) he went "well DBZ held my attention so even if the pacing is poor its still forgivable" or something like that. Before that I think he outright denied DBZ having poor pacing at all, so yeah complete hypocrite.

That actually happened to me recently, last year or so I started re-watching Ruroni Kenshin and while it was still good it wasn't quite as good as I remembered it. I also tried re-watching Tenshi Muyo! recently and my god has that aged poorly.

I also love the 'new anime is nothing more than shitty generic high school garbage with boring MC's and harem' and completely ignore the fact that 80's-90's consisted of like 90% post-apocalyptic or space, had the most god awful boring MC's and I honestly can only recall a handful of female characters prior to like 2000, they were so nothing in anime before that they were rarely worth even taking note of.
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Posted 6/23/14
Without reading this thread:

Older versus newer

Newer anime has better artwork (when not CGI) versus older anime for the most part (there is always exceptions)

Older anime has BY FAR the better stories (More original stories and variety, versus the newer generic templated stuff by genre pumped out). And don't even get me started and filler long running milk the crap out of it anime that is prevalent today!

Older anime had CHARACTER in their characters! So many times in newer anime, the characterization is done half-assed at best!

Newer anime has better dubs (if you are into that, of which I am not)

When the stories came out in older anime it was FRESH! Newer anime tries to recycle older anime story lines watered-down of course. There is hardly anything original about most newer anime series!

Newer anime doesn't have some of the real god-awful pukifying American remakes that older anime has (Macross/RoBLOWtech 1st season, Mosepedia Climber/RoBLOWtech 3rd season, Go Lion!/Voltron, etc.) Note: These were dubbed intentionally off to redo the story so as not to offend American "sensibilities".

Overall, Older anime is better, but there are some good things to be said about newer anime!





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Posted 6/24/14
I don't think it's black and white like that, nor better or worst, it is what it is, it's different, i certainly miss animes like Trigun, Cowboy Bebop, that old style of drawing is something i miss really bad, but oh well, can't complain when i watch something as beautiful looking as Fate/Zero
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Posted 6/24/14 , edited 6/24/14
I'm really loving the art styles of anime recently and as long as new ideas keep coming and old ideas aren't reused I'm all for change

P.S Not saying that the old styles were bad I liked them as well
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Posted 6/24/14
Anime is getting better AND worse.

Animation: Due to HD and innovations in animation, anime is more crisp. However, I've noticed a lack of animation fluidity in newer anime, where it lacks a lot of the softness in the animation that defined some pre-HD anime.

English Voice Dubbing: It used to be bad, but it was funny-bad. Then it got better for a lot of anime, and even better with studios like Ocean Group, which lost steam when the Canadian dollar got stronger than the US dollar. Now it's gone back to more bad, but not funny-bad anymore. Too many of the voices don't match the body type of the characters, and it's painfully obvious that the characters are recorded separately.

Music: About the same. Still has weird OPs, and most of background music is just ok, with the occasional exceptions.
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Posted 6/24/14

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Both better and worse imo.

It's getting ever more ritualized and worked down to a marketed 'perfection', which is kind of terrible.

At the same time, production quality is worlds ahead of prior years, and there are a few truly stunning shows that slip through the corporate wall every year.


I am with you!
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Posted 6/24/14
It's improving.
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Both better and worse:

Better in that Production values are better, depending on the studio.

Worse in that there's not a whole lot of Original Anime being produced as 99% are adaptations from Light novels or manga and they are licensing them so early (with the exception of High School DxD only got to vol 4 of the LNs and the LNs are up to Vol 16-18) that there isn't enough material to continue them after the 1st season.
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