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Post Reply Anime Isn't Misogynistic.
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First off, you can't just claim that anime in general is misogynistic. It is a very diverse form of media that spans all different genres and storylines.

That being said, there are many tropes in anime that treat female characters very badly, and the frequency of these result in straight male viewers to believe that it's "realistic" behavior, which can lead to misogynistic thinking.

Some examples:
Random unwanted boob touching: This happens in a lot of anime, whether it be because a clumsy male trips into someone's bosom (seriously, that rarely happens in real life) or one girl randomly grabbing another girl's (usually huge) breasts (again, that doesn't really happen). For the first case, you could claim that "oh it's an accident so it's okay," but I rarely see the guy actually be genuinely apologetic; usually what happens is the guy continues to keep his hands on the boobs, sometimes going as far as giving them a grope or two. Not cool. It's not okay to touch a girl's breasts, or any part of their body for that matter, without their consent, even if you're another girl.

Panty shots: Yes, skirts can fly up if it's windy, but this frequently occurs in anime to shame a female character and shut her up. It's generally used to take a girl "down a peg" or to assert some sort of dominance. It kind of says "It's cute that you think your opinion matters, but none of that matters when I see your panties." In a way, it's kind of true. When you objectify women, you don't care about them as people. Their thoughts and actions don't matter as long as they look good, whether they be exposing cleavage, skin, or undergarments.

Other assorted fanservice: A lot of fanservice is at the expense of the character. Sure, there are some characters that purposefully flaunt their sexiness to attract the male gaze, and that's okay! My problem is when the gaze is unwarranted or unwanted. It could be because the viewer or another character peeping on them, like when they're taking a bath or something. It could be because the characters were reluctantly put into a revealing outfit that they are embarrassed/ashamed about. It could be a result of costume design, where the characters aren't even consciously aware of their revealing outfits at all as they're not relevant to...anything. All of these unnecessarily sexualize the characters, and leads to more objectification of women.

I could probably go on and on about this, but I'll stop here.
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AnimeKami wrote:


TsunLemon wrote:


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Hm? I actually prefer my Anime girls strong and sadistic, so don't know what you're talking about. XP


Is this what you want to see?



Doesn't look painful enough to me, but yes, that looks well enough.
Also, I currently feel very frustrated that I do not recognize that cute sadistic girl. From the comments below it doesn't appear she's from an Anime tho. Is she from a VN or something?


no she is from an anime.



K, found the Anime and now understand what the other person that replied to you meant. Definitely watching this OVA later today.
Thank you for the confirmation that it was an actual Anime.

New GIF looks....guess it is painful enough. Time to find what Anime that one is from.
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New GIF looks....guess it is painful enough. Time to find what Anime that one is from.


I will give you some time to lurk for the answer.
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Posted 5/15/14 , edited 5/15/14

TheAncientOne wrote:


maxgale wrote:

No, anime isn't misogynistic: but there is a large part of the fanbase that has disturbing attitudes towards women and sexuality.

The issue I have is the ease with which some people in anime fandom sling around the word "misogynistic" in situations where "sexist" would be the correct term. It cheapens the impact of the correct usage, much as constantly calling anyone that gropes a women a rapist would dilute the impact of that word.



I don't really have any interest in adding to this discussion too much, but I agree completely with this point and I think this is one of the reasons it's so hard to have a proper, civil discussion about this topic. People tend to gravitate towards one extreme or the other, glibly throwing around heavy words like "misogynistic" on one end of the spectrum and on the other side you have people making lofty claims about artistic license/feminazis and such instead of actually debating the issue from a sensible position.


mewpre wrote:
That being said, there are many tropes in anime that treat female characters very badly, and the frequency of these result in straight male viewers to believe that it's "realistic" behavior, which can lead to misogynistic thinking.


I don't disagree with the rest of your post for the most part but I have to contest this point. I don't buy the idea that (most) anime viewers can be influenced to this degree. If they are already sexist, it might reinforce their view but anime isn't going to turn a healthy, reasonable male into a sexist pig that believes it's okay to objectify women and that all women are just vapid anime stereotypes in real life. I don't think that's a particularly strong argument. I think you might be underselling males a bit here, unintentionally.
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If anyone thinks the way some women act in anime is realistic, then I'm sorry it's just not.

And clearly in the first post it is 'realistic' and there is nothing wrong with it.

So this thread is just trying to say its okay. Therefore I'll just stay out of it.


I agree
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AnimeKami wrote:


TsunLemon wrote:


New GIF looks....guess it is painful enough. Time to find what Anime that one is from.


I will give you some time to lurk for the answer.


Took me 20 whole minutes but I found it. That moment when you've already watched it but completely forgot about it. TT__TT
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AnimeKami wrote:


TsunLemon wrote:


New GIF looks....guess it is painful enough. Time to find what Anime that one is from.


I will give you some time to lurk for the answer.


Took me 20 whole minutes but I found it. That moment when you've already watched it but completely forgot about it. TT__TT


what a noob... smh
lol
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AnimeKami wrote:


TsunLemon wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:


TsunLemon wrote:


New GIF looks....guess it is painful enough. Time to find what Anime that one is from.


I will give you some time to lurk for the answer.


Took me 20 whole minutes but I found it. That moment when you've already watched it but completely forgot about it. TT__TT


what a noob... smh
lol


I am indeed a poor noob. Must reflect on my actions!
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It's a male dominated industry targeted largely at teen males. Do the math.
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All of the original posters points would be 100% truth, if all anime had good writing and believable characters and situations, and wasn't awful with portraying females with over-abundance of really pointless fan-service. Sadly, a lot of series have really bad writing, unbelievably unrealistic characters and situations, and tend to portray females with an over-abundance of really pointless fan-service. So I would have to tend to disagree with a lot of the original post on those grounds. :/
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This just depends on the anime. Typically harems have scenes where the guy doesn't trust the girl, but there are just as much hate and distrust towards men in other anime.
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Wouldn't calling anime misogynistic be like saying films are misogynistic? It's a pretty broad subject.
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Posted 5/16/14 , edited 5/16/14

BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

Wouldn't calling anime misogynistic be like saying films are misogynistic? It's a pretty broad subject.


Our society as a whole is pretty misogynistic.
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Posted 5/16/14

JeremyK9880 wrote:


BLACKOUTMK2 wrote:

Wouldn't calling anime misogynistic be like saying films are misogynistic? It's a pretty broad subject.


Our society as a whole is pretty misogynistic.


How do you class society as a whole in that situation, though? Isn't that giving a bad name to the individuals within said societies who are all for the equal treatment of women? I'm trying to avoid spanning off into some absurdly deep debate here, because I know we've had quite an influx of people saying 'this and that is misogynistic' as far as the entertainment industry goes, but I don't care as much as a lot of the people complaining about it do.
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I believe the proper term here is "sexist."

And no, the whole medium of anime is not sexist. Some parts of it are, though. There are various troupes in anime that are meant to degrade and/or objectify women for laughs. It's up to the viewer whether to ignore these facets of anime, or encourage them. Encouragement leads to normalcy leads to, possibly, some misogynistic or sexist behaviors. It's the same with any medium out there, but it can seem particularly pronounced in anime because of the different culture it was created in.
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