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Posted 5/19/14 , edited 5/19/14
Depending on the title, and groups scanlating, other manga readers are faster.

Fuuka's next simulpub is tomorrow, but ********.com already has chapter 15. I'm not naming the site so please don't ask. You can verify it with a google search.
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jmeyer1980 wrote:

Depending on the title, and groups scanlating, other manga readers are faster.

Fuuka's next simulpub is tomorrow, but ********.com already has chapter 15. I'm not naming the site so please don't ask. You can verify it with a google search.


That's a "fan" translation, which doesn't go through multiple levels of clearances and approvals that are required for a release authorized by the copyright holder. Not to mention, tomorrow is still a hell of a lot sooner that you're getting the chapter than if you had to wait for a physical book to be published in English.
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Posted 5/19/14 , edited 5/19/14

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jmeyer1980 wrote:

Depending on the title, and groups scanlating, other manga readers are faster.

Fuuka's next simulpub is tomorrow, but ********.com already has chapter 15. I'm not naming the site so please don't ask. You can verify it with a google search.


That's a "fan" translation, which doesn't go through multiple levels of clearances and approvals that are required for a release authorized by the copyright holder. Not to mention, tomorrow is still a hell of a lot sooner that you're getting the chapter than if you had to wait for a physical book to be published in English.


I am well aware that scanlators are fans. Do you think I would even know to use the term, if I wasn't aware of how this works? My point, is that the fan releases are quicker than this paid service with some titles. CR needs to see what they can do to compete. Even the number of titles available is lacking. Beta has been over for a while now. And before you say it, I am well aware that licensing issues exist and CR is doing what they can. Personally, I think that they released a product before it had sufficient support from the publishers.

And, yes, I do purchase the books when I can.
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Posted 5/19/14

jmeyer1980 wrote:

Depending on the title, and groups scanlating, other manga readers are faster.

Fuuka's next simulpub is tomorrow, but ********.com already has chapter 15. I'm not naming the site so please don't ask. You can verify it with a google search.


Thank you for your feedback. We are currently releasing new chapters as they are going up on the shelves in Japan.
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Posted 5/20/14 , edited 5/20/14

jmeyer1980 wrote:

I am well aware that scanlators are fans. Do you think I would even know to use the term, if I wasn't aware of how this works? My point, is that the fan releases are quicker than this paid service with some titles. CR needs to see what they can do to compete. .

CR's manga simulpubs are released the same day the magazine is released in Japan. Scanlators get leaked raws well in advance (usually 3-5 days, sometimes more), so it's impossible for CR to compete with any fast scanlator.
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Ah! Now THAT part, I wasn't aware of. I didn't realize digital copies were being leaked ahead of publisher schedule! Thank you for that answer.
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Posted 5/21/14 , edited 5/21/14

jmeyer1980 wrote:

Ah! Now THAT part, I wasn't aware of. I didn't realize digital copies were being leaked ahead of publisher schedule! Thank you for that answer.


It isn't that they are leaked. Like all magazines, subscribers get the magazine delivered to them before it hits the shelves in the bookstore. So if the scanilators have access to a subscriber willing to create the raws for them....

CR releases the manga when it LEGALLY can by CONTRACT with the publisher. That is the key difference.
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jmeyer1980 wrote:

Ah! Now THAT part, I wasn't aware of. I didn't realize digital copies were being leaked ahead of publisher schedule! Thank you for that answer.


It isn't that they are leaked. Like all magazines, subscribers get the magazine delivered to them before it hits the shelves in the bookstore. So if the scanlators have access to a subscriber willing to create the raws for them....

CR releases the manga when it LEGALLY can by CONTRACT with the publisher. That is the key difference.


I assumed digital leaks... My mistake.

At this point... the bush has been beaten around. I honestly don't care about the contracts, as I'm a paying customer and can take my business elsewhere if I don't like it. It's up to CR to do whatever they need to do to remain competitive and supply the demand. We can nitpick terminology all we want, but in the end, websites, that almost everyone (depending on country) has access too, are releasing scanlations faster than CR can.

As it stands, CR is doing the best they can to be quick and I appreciate it. The next thing I want to see is the changes I requested in response to another topic: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-849497/issues-with-the-crunchyroll-manga-reader#46518305

There are a lot of glaring design/concept flaws in the browser manga reader, and apps, that I discuss on that topic. And, as always, we received the copy/paste response stating that they are working to improve it. Thank you CR for taking the time to at least paste a response. It helps me to feel that my concerns and thoughts are taken seriously, and infuses me with the confidence that I'm not going to be flamed every time I create a topic.
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jmeyer1980 wrote:


Zensunni wrote:


jmeyer1980 wrote:

Ah! Now THAT part, I wasn't aware of. I didn't realize digital copies were being leaked ahead of publisher schedule! Thank you for that answer.


It isn't that they are leaked. Like all magazines, subscribers get the magazine delivered to them before it hits the shelves in the bookstore. So if the scanlators have access to a subscriber willing to create the raws for them....

CR releases the manga when it LEGALLY can by CONTRACT with the publisher. That is the key difference.


I assumed digital leaks... My mistake.

At this point... the bush has been beaten around. I honestly don't care about the contracts, as I'm a paying customer and can take my business elsewhere if I don't like it. It's up to CR to do whatever they need to do to remain competitive and supply the demand. We can nitpick terminology all we want, but in the end, websites, that almost everyone (depending on country) has access too, are releasing scanlations faster than CR can.

I'm afraid you are wrong there. I defy you to find ANY on-line site in any country that has a copy of any of the manga CR publishes on the same day that the magazine becomes available on the shelves in Japan faster than CR and has the legal right to post it! But I can save you the time: There are NONE! If you don't mind "taking your business" to a site that doesn't send any of the money they make back to the mangaka who creates the entertainment you are enjoying, that's fine. But you will not find a legal copy of any of these titles coming out quicker than CR puts them out.

I think the key here is in the term you use: scanalations. What CR is putting out are NOT scanalations, but official licensed translations. (Or you could use localization if you prefer.)


jmeyer1980 As it stands, CR is doing the best they can to be quick and I appreciate it. The next thing I want to see is the changes I requested in response to another topic: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-849497/issues-with-the-crunchyroll-manga-reader#46518305

There are a lot of glaring design/concept flaws in the browser manga reader, and apps, that I discuss on that topic. And, as always, we received the copy/paste response stating that they are working to improve it. Thank you CR for taking the time to at least paste a response. It helps me to feel that my concerns and thoughts are taken seriously, and infuses me with the confidence that I'm not going to be flamed every time I create a topic.


I totally agree with you that the apps and on-line reader need serious work. However, the android app has already improved by leaps and bounds. (Sadly, the most recent version doesn't work right on my first-gen Kindle Fire, so I had to revert back to the older app there, but on my phone the new app is awesome, just really small...)

The on-line reader really does need work!
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Posted 5/21/14 , edited 5/21/14

Zensunni wrote:


jmeyer1980 wrote:


Zensunni wrote:


jmeyer1980 wrote:

Ah! Now THAT part, I wasn't aware of. I didn't realize digital copies were being leaked ahead of publisher schedule! Thank you for that answer.


It isn't that they are leaked. Like all magazines, subscribers get the magazine delivered to them before it hits the shelves in the bookstore. So if the scanlators have access to a subscriber willing to create the raws for them....

CR releases the manga when it LEGALLY can by CONTRACT with the publisher. That is the key difference.


I assumed digital leaks... My mistake.

At this point... the bush has been beaten around. I honestly don't care about the contracts, as I'm a paying customer and can take my business elsewhere if I don't like it. It's up to CR to do whatever they need to do to remain competitive and supply the demand. We can nitpick terminology all we want, but in the end, websites, that almost everyone (depending on country) has access too, are releasing scanlations faster than CR can.

I'm afraid you are wrong there. I defy you to find ANY on-line site in any country that has a copy of any of the manga CR publishes on the same day that the magazine becomes available on the shelves in Japan faster than CR and has the legal right to post it! But I can save you the time: There are NONE! If you don't mind "taking your business" to a site that doesn't send any of the money they make back to the mangaka who creates the entertainment you are enjoying, that's fine. But you will not find a legal copy of any of these titles coming out quicker than CR puts them out.

I think the key here is in the term you use: scanalations. What CR is putting out are NOT scanalations, but official licensed translations. (Or you could use localization if you prefer.)


jmeyer1980 As it stands, CR is doing the best they can to be quick and I appreciate it. The next thing I want to see is the changes I requested in response to another topic: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-849497/issues-with-the-crunchyroll-manga-reader#46518305

There are a lot of glaring design/concept flaws in the browser manga reader, and apps, that I discuss on that topic. And, as always, we received the copy/paste response stating that they are working to improve it. Thank you CR for taking the time to at least paste a response. It helps me to feel that my concerns and thoughts are taken seriously, and infuses me with the confidence that I'm not going to be flamed every time I create a topic.


I totally agree with you that the apps and on-line reader need serious work. However, the android app has already improved by leaps and bounds. (Sadly, the most recent version doesn't work right on my first-gen Kindle Fire, so I had to revert back to the older app there, but on my phone the new app is awesome, just really small...)

The on-line reader really does need work!


I appreciate that you agree with my complaints on the app.

I never claimed that the sites were legal. Only that they are available. I've already said that I understand what scanlations are (and we can go over technicalities all day and get nowhere) and, yes some titles are released faster on those websites than they are on CR, Fuuka chp 15 was released on one of those websites more than 24 hours ahead of CR. When it comes to legal right... you have me there. But again, I never said they were legal, only faster. (Though I agree that scanlations beating the bookshelf in stores would be a tough feat.)

I should have just ignored your initial response to this topic. In regards to legal manga releases and fan scanlations... Our conversation isn't improving and I won't respond to this thread anymore. I'm tired of defending a valid complaint.
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Posted 5/22/14 , edited 5/22/14

Zensunni wrote:


jmeyer1980 wrote:

Ah! Now THAT part, I wasn't aware of. I didn't realize digital copies were being leaked ahead of publisher schedule! Thank you for that answer.


It isn't that they are leaked. Like all magazines, subscribers get the magazine delivered to them before it hits the shelves in the bookstore. So if the scanilators have access to a subscriber willing to create the raws for them....

While subscribers may be one source of early raws, there are physical leaks by people in the industry as well.
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I have to wonder if the OP realizes he is requesting not a change by CR, but a change in the industry (releasing an electronic publication before the official release date in Japan).
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I have to wonder if the OP realizes he is requesting not a change by CR, but a change in the industry (releasing an electronic publication before the official release date in Japan).


Breaking my promise not to reply to this thread anymore... just because of that quote right there...

That was not the intention of my post at all, good sir. I want CR to strive to be more competitive.

In the perfect world, I would want CR to release faster than scanlators and put the scanlators out of business (figuratively speaking since most scanlators don't make money doing what they do.)

I want the CR manga library to be as large, if not larger, than the online manga-reader catalogues.

The changes I want, would finally warrant the fees that I am currently choosing, and will continue, to pay for reading manga on this site.

The changes I want will probably take YEARS to implement... if they ever are implemented... due to the contract issues with the publishers.

The biggest reason why I posted this? Change can only happen when someone brings the subject to light. If we don't say anything... nothing will change.

Please lock this topic already...
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Posted 5/22/14 , edited 5/22/14
You can't get faster than same day... That's just how it works. They cannot legally post the manga any faster than they do.
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Posted 5/22/14 , edited 5/22/14

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You can't get faster than same day... That's just how it works. They cannot legally post the manga any faster than they do.


Seriously...

You keep implying that I want the impossible and I am telling you that I don't want the impossible, I want improvement!

You keep bringing up the word LEGAL when I have made it clear that I support the authors. I have been as polite as I possibly can, but, you are beginning to offend me, and I wish you would stop trying to teach me what I already know.

Improvement is not too much to ask. It DOES seem to be too much to ask for people to allow me to have and state my suggestions without having to defend them.
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