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Does neon genesis eva get better?
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Can you elaborate, because I believe anime are influenced in a negative way by Evangelion. So they don't become the next Neon Genesis.


firstly all Rei Archetypes are accredited to Evangelion. 2ndly many good animes were inspired by Evangelion and pay homage to it. one example off the top of my head would be Shingeki no Kyojin and Kill la Kill.
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No confusion on my part. Thinking outside the box is one thing, but trying to reinvent anime is another. Anno tried to reinvent not only Mecha anime, but heroes in anime. That's why he failed. Anno had the potential to be the next best thing when DBZ, G. Gundam and Yuyu Hakusho all ended, but instead he gave us Shinji Ikari, a character with no redeeming qualities and a character that never gets any.
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you have to understand that Anno did not have the budget to have the complete ending as a result we got ep 25 and 26

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Why is Eva considered the best anime when it didn't even have a good ending due to budget constraints? I get that it was beyond Anno's control, but the fact is that it still got a bad ending due to budget constraints. Eva shouldn't get a free pass. In the end, the production team failed to deliver. And I read the spoilers in end of eva. That is supposed to be the good ending? Ouch. Reading that synopsis doesn't make for a good ending to me.

Evangelion has some good aspects, but I just don't like that some people think an anime with some glaring flaws should be considered the best anime out there. If an anime with some glaring flaws is to be considered the best anime out there, what the heck does that say about anime on the whole?
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firstly all Rei Archetypes are accredited to Evangelion. 2ndly many good animes were inspired by Evangelion and pay homage to it. one example off the top of my head would be Shingeki no Kyojin and Kill la Kill.[/quot
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Yeah, When I first started reading SOK I thought to myself. "Please don't be the next Evangelion!" Oops, that didn't happen. Another whiney main character with a horrible supporting cast.
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Why would I click on your "spoiler", scroll down to step 8 while my eyes subconsciously scan the other steps, and spoil End of Evangelion.?I'm not reading any steps lol.
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My main problem is that Shinji acts like he's got the worst life in history and we're suppose to feel bad for him. His mom died and his dad is an absent war general whatever. BIG DEAL! Real people have those problems. Real people have worse problems. They don't get to become god and then cry about that too! When it comes to anime characters having it bad, Shinji should consider himself lucky that he's not most characters in anime. He should have enjoyed piloting a giant fighting robot and living with attractive women at 14 years old.


List examples of characters that have it worse than him.

Geno's complex is another long topic to be discussed dont have the time to explain it. so here
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Gendo_and_Shinji_(Relationship)

it is a big deal. if Evangelion wasnt a big deal we wouldnt be having discussions about it 19 years later.

being a god is much harder than you think. every living thing is under your responsibility.

once again, list examples.

do you enjoy getting your limbs chopped off? thats what shinji feels every time he pilots.

this isnt a harem.
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Evangelion is one of the most influential animes. But I would contend with the claim that it is the very best anime there is (which many do claim).
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No confusion on my part. Thinking outside the box is one thing, but trying to reinvent anime is another. Anno tried to reinvent not only Mecha anime, but heroes in anime. That's why he failed. Anno had the potential to be the next best thing when DBZ, G. Gundam and Yuyu Hakusho all ended, but instead he gave us Shinji Ikari, a character with no redeeming qualities and a character that never gets any.


Who said Anno wanted shinji to be a hero? hes just the protagonist...
protagonist ≠ hero


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bakaCraftee wrote:

you have to understand that Anno did not have the budget to have the complete ending as a result we got ep 25 and 26

HUGE SPOILERS




Why is Eva considered the best anime when it didn't even have a good ending due to budget constraints? I get that it was beyond Anno's control, but the fact is that it still got a bad ending due to budget constraints. Eva shouldn't get a free pass. In the end, the production team failed to deliver. And I read the spoilers in end of eva. That is supposed to be the good ending? Ouch. Reading that synopsis doesn't make for a good ending to me.

Evangelion has some good aspects, but I just don't like that some people think an anime with some glaring flaws should be considered the best anime out there. If an anime with some glaring flaws is to be considered the best anime out there, what the heck does that say about anime on the whole?


well im sorry that end of eva requires a higher level of thinking and understanding.
unlike the animes of today where everything is spoon fed and you dont need to dig any deeper.
glaring flaws? point them out.
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Thanks for all the responses. I'm going to finish it.
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My main problem is that Shinji acts like he's got the worst life in history and we're suppose to feel bad for him. His mom died and his dad is an absent war general whatever. BIG DEAL! Real people have those problems. Real people have worse problems. They don't get to become god and then cry about that too! When it comes to anime characters having it bad, Shinji should consider himself lucky that he's not most characters in anime. He should have enjoyed piloting a giant fighting robot and living with attractive women at 14 years old.


He also has deep dependency and psychological issues. They even stated in the series (or at least the newer movies). It is a big deal to the one suffering. People deal with situations differently, and in the case of Shinji, he reverts further into his shell and it becomes harder and harder for him to break out, not to mention his lack of self-worth, little to no confidence, and the fact that everyone uses him for their own ends ultimately doesn't help things.

What you call "whiney" is what people commit suicide over everyday, especially teenagers, such as Shinji.

In fact, everyone in that show is messed up and has some type of psychological issue that hampers them. Expect maybe Pen-Pen and a few others we don't see enough of. That "attractive women", Misato, has psychological issues similar to Shinji, for example. She tends to keep everything on the surface (like relationships) and, like Shinji, runs away from her problems through various means (in her case it's things like sex, drugs, alcohol, etc.).

Also, what are "most characters in anime"? Ones that run with toast in their mouth because they're late for school?
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First I didn't say Evangelion isn't a big deal, I was referring to how I'm suppose to feel if Shinji said "My mom's dead and dad is absent."
Being is much harder than any can perceive especially at a young age, but that why instead of crying and throwing it away, you use the opportunity to make the world a better place. By learning to control your new gift.
List of characters that had it worse:
The Elric Brothers. I'm start with two very similar characters. They lost their mother and their father was gone. They try human transmutation to bring their mother back only to go through horrible trauma. What do they do afterwards? They don't cry about.
Sasuke Uchiha. People who bash Sasuke are usually the first to defend Shinji. Sasuke lived in the shadow of his brother and never got his fathers approval (Boo Hoo). Then big brother massacres the entire clan and makes Sasuke relive the entire thing using his eye abilities.
Prince Vegeta. Lived under the Universal Tyrant Freiza his whole life. The same Tyrant destroyed his planet and made him work for him afterwards.
Those are probably my top 3. Naruto, Lucy from Elfen Lied and Erza from Fairy Tail would also be at the top of that list. Even Erin Jaeger had it worse. Lives behind a wall in fear of Titans. Wall breaks, Mom gets eaten by Titan in front of him.
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Evangelion is one of the most influential animes. But I would contend with the claim that it is the very best anime there is (which many do claim).


never claimed it was the best, all im doing is asking people to give eva a second chance.

When i first watched eva, most of it didnt make sense. and i was confused
but after watching it multiple times and picking up on new things i didnt notice before.
piecing many puzzle pieces together.
joining discussions about eva.
discovering many things through those discussions.
really opened my eyes and allowed me to fully appreciate eva
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That's what therapy is for. To find your worth. His father clearly had the money to pay for a session once a week. never once does Shinji try to get better. You can't always rely on others, especially in an anime.
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About the "glaring flaws" thing and "point them out", well, I did point out the main glaring flaw. The bad ending, brah. : p Even if End of Eva is supposed to be a better ending, it took not one but two movies after the TV series to get to a better ending. And the point still stands, the ending of the TV series of Eva is just plain bad.
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Dubnoman wrote:

About the "glaring flaws" thing and "point them out", well, I did point out the main glaring flaw. The bad ending, brah. : p Even if End of Eva is supposed to be a better ending, it took not one but two movies after the TV series to get to a better ending. And the point still stands, the ending of the TV series of Eva is just plain bad.


No denying that.


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That's what therapy is for. To find your worth. His father clearly had the money to pay for a session once a week. never once does Shinji try to get better. You can't always rely on others, especially in an anime.


Um. He couldn't get therapy because a) his father wasn't going to pay for it as he only saw his son as a tool and b) the people Shinji lived with before he rejoined his father didn't give a shit about him either, bad-mouthing his parents and making him seem like he's the black sheep in the family. Misato couldn't help him because she simply didn't know how to help him, as she herself was going through similar problems and couldn't even deal with those herself. The only thing she could do was reach out and comfort him as she wants to be herself. She puts a strong front to hide her "inner" self, as it were. Like Asuka and her "I have to be better than everyone else" shell, that ultimately collapses in on itself and crumbles, but that's beside the point.

And then it loops back to his psychological issues. He can't try if he doesn't even view himself as anything of self-worth.
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