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Does neon genesis eva get better?
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First I didn't say Evangelion isn't a big deal, I was referring to how I'm suppose to feel if Shinji said "My mom's dead and dad is absent."
Being is much harder than any can perceive especially at a young age, but that why instead of crying and throwing it away, you use the opportunity to make the world a better place. By learning to control your new gift.
List of characters that had it worse:
The Elric Brothers. I'm start with two very similar characters. They lost their mother and their father was gone. They try human transmutation to bring their mother back only to go through horrible trauma. What do they do afterwards? They don't cry about.
Sasuke Uchiha. People who bash Sasuke are usually the first to defend Shinji. Sasuke lived in the shadow of his brother and never got his fathers approval (Boo Hoo). Then big brother massacres the entire clan and makes Sasuke relive the entire thing using his eye abilities.
Prince Vegeta. Lived under the Universal Tyrant Freiza his whole life. The same Tyrant destroyed his planet and made him work for him afterwards.
Those are probably my top 3. Naruto, Lucy from Elfen Lied and Erza from Fairy Tail would also be at the top of that list. Even Erin Jaeger had it worse. Lives behind a wall in fear of Titans. Wall breaks, Mom gets eaten by Titan in front of him.


Elric Brothers - They have each other. shinji has no one.
Sasuke - He has immense controllable power. shinji does not.
Prince Vegeta - He has immense controllable power. shinji does not. Vegeta is a prince. Shinji is no one.
Naruto - has enough ignorance to make him upbeat and willful. shinji is ignorant to the bright side of things ( which there are a very few)
Lucy - has Kouta. even after murdering kouta's family, Kouta forgave Lucy. Shinji blames everything on himself and has no one like Kouta to relieve Shinji.
Erin Jaeger - Has Mikasa and Armin. Mikasa had it worse than Erin but chooses to live on aslong as Erin is alive. Shinji only has Rei to live for. Only to find out that she is a clone and his father played him like a puppet.
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So many people that say Shinji whines too much...how would those people handle things if they were 14 and they had to pilot giant robots where they felt pain with every bit of damage dealt to them and their father has absolutely no love for them and the end of the world might happen and mysterious, monstrous beings calling themselves angels were attacking the world and you are one of the only few people in the world that can effectively fight them and the soul of your mother is in the robot you pilot and you fall into a sea of dirac and shit and all this other shit.

HOW THE FUCK WOULD THEY HANDLE IT? Not well, I'm sure.
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That's what therapy is for. To find your worth. His father clearly had the money to pay for a session once a week. never once does Shinji try to get better. You can't always rely on others, especially in an anime.


firstly his father played his son like a puppet. Shinji always blames himself and like you said he needs therapy. Shinji cant give himself therapy. nor is anyone going to give it to him. with the world at the brink of extintion, therapy is last on anyones mind.

yea, shinji isnt relying on others. he curls up in a ball and blames himself for all of his problems. thanks for strengthening my point :)


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About the "glaring flaws" thing and "point them out", well, I did point out the main glaring flaw. The bad ending, brah. : p Even if End of Eva is supposed to be a better ending, it took not one but two movies after the TV series to get to a better ending. And the point still stands, the ending of the TV series of Eva is just plain bad.


The ending was not bad. if you watched it and understood it. then its not bad.

Either you didnt watch it. or you didnt turn on your brain to even bother understanding it.

two movies? there were only 1
goes to show how little you know.
and then to criticize something you know nothing about.
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Come again?

http://www.animevice.com/neon-genesis-evangelion/10-54/movies/

Just a little goolge search on "Evangelion movies" and one of the first links talks about two movies, Evangelion Death and Rebirth and End of Evangelion.

Edit: Taken from that webpage.

Evangelion: Death and Rebirth

The first movie in the evangelion franchise, it consists of two parts, the first one is a retelling of the show and the second a new ending.


The End of Evangelion

A alternate conclusion to the epic anime series, written and directed by Hideaki Anno.
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Shinji only has Rei to live for. Only to find out that she is a clone and his father played him like a puppet.


He also has Asuka. The anime leaned towards their relationship more than it did Shinji with Rei. There's also Misato, Toji, Kensuke, Hikari, etc.

In a sense, he isn't alone, but the way his brain works causes him to shy away from human contact, since it's hardwired that it'll only cause him more pain in the end. He tries to clear this with Asuka, who has a similar dilemma, but it ends in disaster -- but, then, after everything is said and done and the characters start to try and "accept" themselves as individuals (the ending of End of Evangelion), do the two of them start to connect with one another; and no, not the choking scene itself, but more as what it represented to each of them about the other. Which, plainly put, was an acceptance of one another.
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Dubnoman wrote:

So many people that say Shinji whines too much...how would those people handle things if they were 14 and they had to pilot giant robots where they felt pain with every bit of damage dealt to them and their father has absolutely no love for them and the end of the world might happen and mysterious, monstrous beings calling themselves angels were attacking the world and you are one of the only few people in the world that can effectively fight them and the soul of your mother is in the robot you pilot and you fall into a sea of dirac and shit and all this other shit.

HOW THE FUCK WOULD THEY HANDLE IT? Not well, I'm sure.


Saying, no.

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So many people that say Shinji whines too much...how would those people handle things if they were 14 and they had to pilot giant robots where they felt pain with every bit of damage dealt to them and their father has absolutely no love for them and the end of the world might happen and mysterious, monstrous beings calling themselves angels were attacking the world and you are one of the only few people in the world that can effectively fight them and the soul of your mother is in the robot you pilot and you fall into a sea of dirac and shit and all this other shit.

HOW THE FUCK WOULD THEY HANDLE IT? Not well, I'm sure.


ehh close enough.

When Asuka found out that her mother's soul was inside unit 2, she completely broke and went insane, as you saw in end of eva.

more babble

lemme correct some things :p
not robots, clones of adam and lilith with armor and high tech synchronization apparatuses.
father loved him. thats why he was so distant. ( its complicated )
Humans named them Angels

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Come again?

http://www.animevice.com/neon-genesis-evangelion/10-54/movies/

Just a little goolge search on "Evangelion movies" and one of the first links talks about two movies, Evangelion Death and Rebirth and End of Evangelion.

Edit: Taken from that webpage.

Evangelion: Death and Rebirth

The first movie in the evangelion franchise, it consists of two parts, the first one is a retelling of the show and the second a new ending.


The End of Evangelion

A alternate conclusion to the epic anime series, written and directed by Hideaki Anno.


death and rebirth was a recap movie they played before playing end of eva. ( refresh people's memory )
they did this because they didnt have the internet or computers like we do today.

Not an alternate conclusion. it was an expansion of the original conclusion.
because the intended conclusion was not produced and aired due to budget.
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I knew it was a recap movie. But like I said, it did take them technically two movies just to get to the ending they wanted. : p

It isn't much of a movie, but I know many consider it a "movie". I know that End of Eva is the one that should be watched, though. I think a lot of people say just skip Death and Rebirth, too.
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bakaCraftee wrote:

Shinji only has Rei to live for. Only to find out that she is a clone and his father played him like a puppet.


He also has Asuka. The anime leaned towards their relationship more than it did Shinji with Rei. There's also Misato, Toji, Kensuke, Hikari, etc.

In a sense, he isn't alone, but the way his brain works causes him to shy away from human contact, since it's hardwired that it'll only cause him more pain in the end. He tries to clear this with Asuka, who has a similar dilemma, but it ends in disaster -- but, then, after everything is said and done and the characters start to try and "accept" themselves as individuals (the ending of End of Evangelion), do the two of them start to connect with one another; and no, not the choking scene itself, but more as what it represented to each of them about the other. Which, plainly put, was an acceptance of one another.


He never had Asuka. As the story progressed, they both increasingly disliked each other.

Shinji sought Rei more than Asuka due to Rei's affiliation with shinji's mom.

he is unable to get close to those around him due to hedgehog's dilemma
so he stopped trying all together long ago.
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I knew it was a recap movie. But like I said, it did take them technically two movies just to get to the ending they wanted. : p

It isn't much of a movie, but I know many consider it a "movie". I know that End of Eva is the one that should be watched, though. I think a lot of people say just skip Death and Rebirth, too.


well yea, if youre watching neon genesis and end of eva back to back. theres no reason to watch death and rebirth.

death and rebirth = feature length recap episode with an intermission :p
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Dubnoman wrote:

So many people that say Shinji whines too much...how would those people handle things if they were 14 and they had to pilot giant robots where they felt pain with every bit of damage dealt to them and their father has absolutely no love for them and the end of the world might happen and mysterious, monstrous beings calling themselves angels were attacking the world and you are one of the only few people in the world that can effectively fight them and the soul of your mother is in the robot you pilot and you fall into a sea of dirac and shit and all this other shit.

HOW THE FUCK WOULD THEY HANDLE IT? Not well, I'm sure.


Saying, no.



at least try to give an intelligent response.
maybe thats why you dont understand eva, because you just turn off ur brain and watch anime.
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Expectations lead to disappointments..

I'm on episode 14 of neon, and honestly was expecting more. I've also heard the end is a love hate type thing so that's also a negative.

I don't have much free time so I like to put efficient use to watching anime and not wasting episodes.

So should I keep going? Are the episodes coming up worth it?


Honestly, as a huge and long time fan, Just watch the reboot OVA's. Evagelion was one of those shows along with cowboy bebop that rocketed me into the anime fandom but the original tv series isn't actually all that great.
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bakaCraftee wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:


Dubnoman wrote:

So many people that say Shinji whines too much...how would those people handle things if they were 14 and they had to pilot giant robots where they felt pain with every bit of damage dealt to them and their father has absolutely no love for them and the end of the world might happen and mysterious, monstrous beings calling themselves angels were attacking the world and you are one of the only few people in the world that can effectively fight them and the soul of your mother is in the robot you pilot and you fall into a sea of dirac and shit and all this other shit.

HOW THE FUCK WOULD THEY HANDLE IT? Not well, I'm sure.


Saying, no.



at least try to give an intelligent response.
maybe thats why you dont understand eva, because you just turn off ur brain and watch anime.


Saying, "no" to something dangerous is a sane and intelligent answer.
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He never had Asuka. As the story progressed, they both increasingly disliked each other.

Shinji sought Rei more than Asuka due to Rei's affiliation with shinji's mom.

he is unable to get close to those around him due to hedgehog's dilemma
so he stopped trying all together long ago.


They tried reaching out to one another but it didn't work out. They didn't dislike each other, per say. Yet, he still had her, if nothing else as someone he could relate to more than he ever did or could Rei. I believe it was even stated that he had more attachment to Asuka in the anime than Rei, that wasn't superficial.

He does try to reach out to others, don't misunderstand, but with the way his mind works he often recoils shortly thereafter by either not knowing how to cope or because he feels like he'll be the one to get hurt worse if something goes wrong. He and Asuka did have feelings for one another, there is no mistaking that. How deep those feelings ran is ultimately up to you. I already have a somewhat clear picture of most things within Evangelion -- arguing about it would be pointless as I'm already set in my own interpretations. Of course, I am open to others' as well, but know that I will try and align them in what I perceive with the elements of the story. I also don't feel like getting into any lengthy discussions about it (which I often end up doing), because like I said it's pointless.

If that... makes any sense...

I think we should just leave it at this.
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