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So many people that say Shinji whines too much...how would those people handle things if they were 14 and they had to pilot giant robots where they felt pain with every bit of damage dealt to them and their father has absolutely no love for them and the end of the world might happen and mysterious, monstrous beings calling themselves angels were attacking the world and you are one of the only few people in the world that can effectively fight them and the soul of your mother is in the robot you pilot and you fall into a sea of dirac and shit and all this other shit.

HOW THE FUCK WOULD THEY HANDLE IT? Not well, I'm sure.


Saying, no.



at least try to give an intelligent response.
maybe thats why you dont understand eva, because you just turn off ur brain and watch anime.


Saying, "no" to something dangerous is a sane and intelligent answer.


are you saying that shinji should have said "no" to everything? the world is ending and shinji seeks acknowledgement from his father

are you saying "no" to "not well, im sure"?

you need to elaborate.
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He never had Asuka. As the story progressed, they both increasingly disliked each other.

Shinji sought Rei more than Asuka due to Rei's affiliation with shinji's mom.

he is unable to get close to those around him due to hedgehog's dilemma
so he stopped trying all together long ago.


They tried reaching out to one another but it didn't work out. They didn't dislike each other, per say. Yet, he still had her, if nothing else as someone he could relate to more than he ever did or could Rei. I believe it was even stated that he had more attachment to Asuka in the anime than Rei, that wasn't superficial.

He does try to reach out to others, don't misunderstand, but with the way his mind works he often recoils shortly thereafter by either not knowing how to cope or because he feels like he'll be the one to get hurt worse if something goes wrong. He and Asuka did have feelings for one another, there is no mistaking that. How deep those feelings ran is ultimately up to you. I already have a somewhat clear picture of most things within Evangelion -- arguing about it would be pointless as I'm already set in my own interpretations. Of course, I am open to others' as well, but know that I will try and align them in what I perceive with the elements of the story. I also don't feel like getting into any lengthy discussions about it (which I often end up doing), because like I said it's pointless.

If that... makes any sense...

I think we should just leave it at this.


Shinji only looked at Asuka as a person in a similar predicament. Shinji didnt make any efforts to get close enough to Asuka to actually make her a person Shinji can talk to / lean on.

Shinji was naturally attracted to Rei ( not sexually. due to the fact that Rei is a clone of his mother )

Shinji never reached out to anyone. People would try to reach out to him, but avoids it due to hedgehog's dilemma.

Shinji found love ( not like gf bf. more like family love) with Kaworu only to be betrayed... hedgehog's dilemma.
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AnimeKami wrote:


bakaCraftee wrote:


are you saying that shinji should have said "no" to everything? the world is ending and shinji seeks acknowledgement from his father

are you saying "no" to "not well, im sure"?

you need to elaborate.


Seeking merits from a deadbeat father holds no value. Having been neglected in his conscious life denying the accomplishments of his father would have told a different story. One perhaps of him standing up for himself and not having his life controlled to the extent to which has been through.

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Shinji's only true pairing is Asuka, both Kaworu and Rei were meant to manipulate him. They actually became more and more attached as the series progressed but since everyone in the series is dysfunctional nothing ever goes anywhere. In the end, Eva isn't about mecha it's about psychology.
Posted 5/21/14
You expected so much from Hideaki Anno the Master Troll?

Don't let the neckbeard euphorics fool you. Eva is as superficial as the average anime. What depths it supposedly has aren't there. It's textbook shounen/mecha with a few references college students will pick up on, but these things don't make it special.

As for its true conclusion, The End of Evangelion, that was designed to further toy with your head. It leaves you in an emotional void for a while after seeing it, but what you see isn't anything more remarkable than the next show. It can't exceed the so-called depths of any other show. It, in fact, is so shallow that almost anything is more deep. You'd get more depth from Dora the Explorer, which at least teaches practical knowledge instead of Hideaki Anno's twisted perspective on life.

Rebuild just retells and also continues the tale. It too messes with you like the prior parts of the franchise, but what you get is basically a plugin to wrench cash from the fanbase. Hideaki Anno doesn't believe Eva is deep, nor did he intend for it to be. It takes after an old show he is a fan of known as The Prisoner, which teases viewers with hidden depths that aren't there. So don't waste your time trying to plumb the nonexistent depths of Evangelion searching for some enlightening knowledge. All you will get is a story of a messed up fourteen year old boy with Oedipus Complex, who barely manages to take his cranium from his rectum and figure out who he is.

Evangelion is pretentiousness at its finest. I'd say a worthy show, but not anything to soak your undergarments with urine over.
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AnimeKami wrote:


bakaCraftee wrote:


are you saying that shinji should have said "no" to everything? the world is ending and shinji seeks acknowledgement from his father

are you saying "no" to "not well, im sure"?

you need to elaborate.


Seeking merits from a deadbeat father holds no value. Having been neglected in his conscious life denying the accomplishments of his father would have told a different story. One perhaps of him standing up for himself and not having his life controlled to the extent to which has been through.



if ur going to quote, actually answer the question. else just post a reply

Are you sure you watched Evangelion? thanks for strengthening my argument tho.

"Having been neglected in his conscious life denying the accomplishments of his father would have told a different story"

Shinji rejects instrumentality.
Shinji does stand up for himself.

Shinji could have created a world where only he existed. A world of no pain. A perfect world you would think for Shinji.
Why do you think they ended on the whole "congratulation" scene?

Actually watch 25 and 26 then come back.
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You expected so much from Hideaki Anno the Master Troll?

Don't let the neckbeard euphorics fool you. Eva is as superficial as the average anime. What depths it supposedly has aren't there. It's textbook shounen/mecha with a few references college students will pick up on, but these things don't make it special.

As for its true conclusion, The End of Evangelion, that was designed to further toy with your head. It leaves you in an emotional void for a while after seeing it, but what you see isn't anything more remarkable than the next show. It can't exceed the so-called depths of any other show. It, in fact, is so shallow that almost anything is more deep. You'd get more depth from Dora the Explorer, which at least teaches practical knowledge instead of Hideaki Anno's twisted perspective on life.

Rebuild just retells and also continues the tale. It too messes with you like the prior parts of the franchise, but what you get is basically a plugin to wrench cash from the fanbase. Hideaki Anno doesn't believe Eva is deep, nor did he intend for it to be. It takes after an old show he is a fan of known as The Prisoner, which teases viewers with hidden depths that aren't there. So don't waste your time trying to plumb the nonexistent depths of Evangelion searching for some enlightening knowledge. All you will get is a story of a messed up fourteen year old boy with Oedipus Complex, who barely manages to take his cranium from his rectum and figure out who he is.

Evangelion is pretentiousness at its finest. I'd say a worthy show, but not anything to soak your undergarments with urine over.


all you did was look at these pictures for 5 minutes

then wrote this
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Anticosm wrote:

You expected so much from Hideaki Anno the Master Troll?

Don't let the neckbeard euphorics fool you. Eva is as superficial as the average anime. What depths it supposedly has aren't there. It's textbook shounen/mecha with a few references college students will pick up on, but these things don't make it special.

As for its true conclusion, The End of Evangelion, that was designed to further toy with your head. It leaves you in an emotional void for a while after seeing it, but what you see isn't anything more remarkable than the next show. It can't exceed the so-called depths of any other show. It, in fact, is so shallow that almost anything is more deep. You'd get more depth from Dora the Explorer, which at least teaches practical knowledge instead of Hideaki Anno's twisted perspective on life.

Rebuild just retells and also continues the tale. It too messes with you like the prior parts of the franchise, but what you get is basically a plugin to wrench cash from the fanbase. Hideaki Anno doesn't believe Eva is deep, nor did he intend for it to be. It takes after an old show he is a fan of known as The Prisoner, which teases viewers with hidden depths that aren't there. So don't waste your time trying to plumb the nonexistent depths of Evangelion searching for some enlightening knowledge. All you will get is a story of a messed up fourteen year old boy with Oedipus Complex, who barely manages to take his cranium from his rectum and figure out who he is.

Evangelion is pretentiousness at its finest. I'd say a worthy show, but not anything to soak your undergarments with urine over.


The Rebuilds actually do a lot for the franchise. They clean up a lot of the political nonsense and the major flaws the characters have in the original series, primarily rebuild Shinji feels far more real. This may be purely due to the pacing of both series since rebuild will be under half the run time in total.The change in Unit 03 Pilots was also a HUGE improvement to the narrative since the original felt weirdly forced. It also added Mari, an almost purely fan service character that is somehow an improvement.
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bakaCraftee wrote:




AnimeKami wrote:


bakaCraftee wrote:


are you saying that shinji should have said "no" to everything? the world is ending and shinji seeks acknowledgement from his father

are you saying "no" to "not well, im sure"?

you need to elaborate.


Seeking merits from a deadbeat father holds no value. Having been neglected in his conscious life denying the accomplishments of his father would have told a different story. One perhaps of him standing up for himself and not having his life controlled to the extent to which has been through.



if ur going to quote, actually answer the question. else just post a reply

Are you sure you watched Evangelion? thanks for strengthening my argument tho.

"Having been neglected in his conscious life denying the accomplishments of his father would have told a different story"

Shinji rejects instrumentality.
Shinji does stand up for himself.

Shinji could have created a world where only he existed. A world of no pain. A perfect world you would think for Shinji.
Why do you think they ended on the whole "congratulation" scene?

Actually watch 25 and 26 then come back.


If Shinji rejects instrumentality. Why does he still do the bidding of his father?
If Shinji does stand up for himself. Why does he still carry an inferiority complex?

"Could" as you put it. Shinji destroys one world, then destroys another, and another 14 years later. Where is the perfect world? If you destroy perfection then remake it, it is not perfect.

I do not see an argument. I see an EVA fan who is an EVA fan. The more power to you to love an anime you love, congratulations.
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You can almost figure the ages of the people commenting on the thread based on whether they are pro-Eva or anti-Eva.

It'll be amusing in the future when this type of discourse about whether to bother with Attack on Titan pops up, if and when haters come out of the wood works. Of course the hate will be far more justified for Attack on Titan, as Eva never unleashed a mega-digivolved Professor Cornelius in a "I got no idea what I am writing" moment like AoT.

Eva works well for people that realize that protagonists are not necessarily heroes or characters that have to wholly be identified with.

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Anticosm wrote:

You expected so much from Hideaki Anno the Master Troll?

Don't let the neckbeard euphorics fool you. Eva is as superficial as the average anime. What depths it supposedly has aren't there. It's textbook shounen/mecha with a few references college students will pick up on, but these things don't make it special.

As for its true conclusion, The End of Evangelion, that was designed to further toy with your head. It leaves you in an emotional void for a while after seeing it, but what you see isn't anything more remarkable than the next show. It can't exceed the so-called depths of any other show. It, in fact, is so shallow that almost anything is more deep. You'd get more depth from Dora the Explorer, which at least teaches practical knowledge instead of Hideaki Anno's twisted perspective on life.

Rebuild just retells and also continues the tale. It too messes with you like the prior parts of the franchise, but what you get is basically a plugin to wrench cash from the fanbase. Hideaki Anno doesn't believe Eva is deep, nor did he intend for it to be. It takes after an old show he is a fan of known as The Prisoner, which teases viewers with hidden depths that aren't there. So don't waste your time trying to plumb the nonexistent depths of Evangelion searching for some enlightening knowledge. All you will get is a story of a messed up fourteen year old boy with Oedipus Complex, who barely manages to take his cranium from his rectum and figure out who he is.

Evangelion is pretentiousness at its finest. I'd say a worthy show, but not anything to soak your undergarments with urine over.


The Rebuilds actually do a lot for the franchise. They clean up a lot of the political nonsense and the major flaws the characters have in the original series, primarily rebuild Shinji feels far more real. This may be purely due to the pacing of both series since rebuild will be under half the run time in total.The change in Unit 03 Pilots was also a HUGE improvement to the narrative since the original felt weirdly forced. It also added Mari, an almost purely fan service character that is somehow an improvement.


sure rebuilds are a treat to watch. great animation quality and more epic eva conbat.

Firstly i feel you are ill informed.
Shinji has many flaws, thats what makes Shinji, Shinji.
making Asuka pilot unit 03 is a change of perspective at best. Shinji watched his closest thing to a friend get mutilated by his own hands. ( further emphasizing hedgehog's dilemma). The fact that you think mari is just a fan service character goes to show you know nothing about the rebuilds.
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AnimeKami wrote:


bakaCraftee wrote:




AnimeKami wrote:


bakaCraftee wrote:


are you saying that shinji should have said "no" to everything? the world is ending and shinji seeks acknowledgement from his father

are you saying "no" to "not well, im sure"?

you need to elaborate.


Seeking merits from a deadbeat father holds no value. Having been neglected in his conscious life denying the accomplishments of his father would have told a different story. One perhaps of him standing up for himself and not having his life controlled to the extent to which has been through.



if ur going to quote, actually answer the question. else just post a reply

Are you sure you watched Evangelion? thanks for strengthening my argument tho.

"Having been neglected in his conscious life denying the accomplishments of his father would have told a different story"

Shinji rejects instrumentality.
Shinji does stand up for himself.

Shinji could have created a world where only he existed. A world of no pain. A perfect world you would think for Shinji.
Why do you think they ended on the whole "congratulation" scene?

Actually watch 25 and 26 then come back.


If Shinji rejects instrumentality. Why does he still do the bidding of his father?
If Shinji does stand up for himself. Why does he still carry an inferiority complex?

"Could" as you put it. Shinji destroys one world, then destroys another, and another 14 years later. Where is the perfect world? If you destroy perfection then remake it, it is not perfect.

I do not see an argument. I see an EVA fan who is an EVA fan. The more power to you to love an anime you love, congratulations.


he doesnt. his father is still LCL

if you watched 25 26 and end of eva you would know. In summary he learns to live with himself and his flaws.

what? when did shinji destroy multiple worlds to try and achieve perfection?
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You can almost figure the ages of the people commenting on the thread based on whether they are pro-Eva or anti-Eva.

It'll be amusing in the future when this type of discourse about whether to bother with Attack on Titan pops up, if and when haters come out of the wood works. Of course the hate will be far more justified for Attack on Titan, as Eva never unleashed a mega-digivolved Professor Cornelius in a "I got no idea what I am writing" moment like AoT.

Eva works well for people that realize that protagonists are not necessarily heroes or characters that have to wholly be identified with.



its funny because i brought it up earlier.
people need to realize shinji was made flawed for a reason. he wasn't made a hero for a reason.


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Who said Anno wanted shinji to be a hero? hes just the protagonist...
protagonist ≠ hero

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sure rebuilds are a treat to watch. great animation quality and more epic eva conbat.

Firstly i feel you are ill informed.
Shinji has many flaws, thats what makes Shinji, Shinji.
making Asuka pilot unit 03 is a change of perspective at best. Shinji watched his closest thing to a friend get mutilated by his own hands. ( further emphasizing hedgehog's dilemma). The fact that you think mari is just a fan service character goes to show you know nothing about the rebuilds.


Firstly, yes Shinji has flaws because he's meant to have flaws. My point was that the TV series handled Shinji very poorly, he had very blurred motivations. It was hard to tell who exactly Shinji was doing anything for and often just ended in him throwing a fit. In the Rebuild he has far more defined motivations while keeping the internal conflicts.

Also the Asuka swap is a major change of perspective. There are three characters who are capable of understanding Shinji as a person, Misato, Kaworu and Asuka. Kaworu's purpose for existing is to understand Shinji and Misato had a very similar relationship with her father. Asuka on the other hand loves Shinji, there is a romantic bond between the two and both of them know it's there even though neither will acknowledge it. Everything Asuka does is calculated and she's a tsundere, consider that and look again at that sequence of events.

Are you serious? Mari is a plot device, she's a means to move the story along. How many lines/scenes does Mari even have in 3.33? If I had a copy i'd be watching it and counting right now but I'm sure she as less then a dozen lines in that entire movie most of them just confirming orders.
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Later episodes are the better episodes and what Evangelion is famous for. you can skip death and rebirth. definitely watch end of eva.

even if you dislike it, i highly recommend just finish watching it. because Evangelion is a milestone in anime history.many animes today are influenced by Evangelion either directly/indirectly. also many animes pay homage it.

All in all, If you are an anime fan. Evangelion is a must watch.

you can skip my rambling
Evangelion has a special place in my heart. and was my first anime i watched at age 6. lol ik too young to understand. but i rediscovered it when i was 15. the nostalgia + mysteriousness of eva really captivated me. No doubt that Anno made shinji in his image and i am really fond of shinji's character because i can draw many parallels.

ps. Anno is a genius.
pps. and Evangelion is a master stroke


There are some interesting interviews in the latest manga releases of eva that you may be interested in. I recommend the extras they throw in.
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