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The point is not to say, "It's fine to be unhealthy. Go on, stuff your face some more because it's great to be fat." The point is that no matter if you're thin or slim or chubby or "fat;" if you have one boob or two, a thigh gap or no gap, visible collarbones or invisible ones -- you should never be ashamed of your body. And if you should ever decide you want to make a change, do it because you want to better yourself and take care of your health, not because you are desperately chasing after somebody else's idea of what your body should look like.

I think this video about advertising really brings to light why perhaps we DO need a documentary like this and why it's important to let people know it's perfectly okay to not look like a supermodel, that's it's perfectly fine to be a size 8 if it's not affecting your ability to climb a flight of stairs, and that it's alright if you weren't born with porcelain skin.

By the way, I couldn't help but feel like you're one of those people who think that lower numbers on a scale automatically means you're healthier than someone who weighs more than you. Uhmmm... It doesn't always work like that. Are heavyweights less healthy than flyweights? I don't think so...


I must have missed the part where I compared people to models and said they should chase the American dream of being super skinny. Or whatever notions you're assuming I'm saying here. I'm not sure why my thoughts about living unhealthy have transformed into being obsessed with beauty and all this (which this additional video you're referencing appears to stress). I never said anything about being ugly, I said living unhealthy because you're "happy with yourself" has it's limits.

I don't know what being a size 8 means here, I'm not familiar with women's clothes sizes. If being a size 8 here is considerably fat and you can climb a flight of stairs good for you. Now, compare that size 8 to I don't know, a size 3 and I bet the size 3 has better functioning organs, better cholesterol and blood pressure over that size 8 (assuming the same height, not twisting this into being a size 3 because she's 5'5 and the size 8 is 6'7). I hope now you see where I'm going with this.

Also, you're incorrect about the assumptions that I find numbers on a scale to be a defining factor in living healthy. If I felt that way I'd have just stopped eating when the doc said to lose weight.
Posted 5/23/14

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I must have missed the part where I compared people to models and said they should chase the American dream of being super skinny. Or whatever notions you're assuming I'm saying here. I'm not sure why my thoughts about living unhealthy have transformed into being obsessed with beauty and all this (which this additional video you're referencing appears to stress). I never said anything about being ugly, I said living unhealthy because you're "happy with yourself" has it's limits.

I don't know what being a size 8 means here, I'm not familiar with women's clothes sizes. If being a size 8 here is considerably fat and you can climb a flight of stairs good for you. Now, compare that size 8 to I don't know, a size 3 and I bet the size 3 has better functioning organs, better cholesterol and blood pressure over that size 8 (assuming the same height, not twisting this into being a size 3 because she's 5'5 and the size 8 is 6'7). I hope now you see where I'm going with this.

Also, you're incorrect about the assumptions that I find numbers on a scale to be a defining factor in living healthy. If I felt that way I'd have just stopped eating when the doc said to lose weight.


And I bet you would also assume that the size 3 person eats better and exercises more often than the size 8 person. Basically what I'm getting from you is that you think that someone who appears to have a low percentage of body fat with an overall slim appearance is what healthy looks like. I don't believe that... I know "healthy" looking people who eat nothing but junk and they drink and smoke like there's no tomorrow. That's not healthy.. I don't care if the scales say I'm 70 lbs heavier than they are, I think my insides are in better shape than theirs. I mean, my insides might be covered in a slight layer of fat, but they're all good. (At least according to my last physical exam.. lol)

Also, people who are happy with themselves have a very low tendency to overeat or binge on food when they're upset. So I really don't get why you think just because someone is happy with their body that they'll just go and eat McDonald's everyday or sit in front of the TV stuffing themselves. Last time I checked, that's not what a happy, content person is like. Being happy with yourself is not an end. It's a start to a healthier, happier you. Because if I'm happy and content with my body and how I look, then that would be more motivation for me to take better care of it and maintain it the way it is, wouldn't it? I mean..

P.S. I didn't say you said everybody should chase after the model / hollywood ideal. What I was trying to say (especially with the video) was that that's what society keeps bombarding us with. That's mostly the reason why we're unhappy with ourselves and our bodies. The documentary is helpful as a reminder, an eye-opener, and a break from all of that. It's not about it being okay to be unhealthy. It's about being okay with not looking like that model on a magazine cover or that guy from the gym..

P.P.S. If it should seem that we will never see eye to eye on this, then I must suggest we agree to disagree..
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p.p.s.s Fatties gonna be fat
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And I bet you would also assume that the size 3 person eats better and exercises more often than the size 8 person. Basically what I'm getting from you is that you think that someone who appears to have a low percentage of body fat with an overall slim appearance is what healthy looks like. I don't believe that... I know "healthy" looking people who eat nothing but junk and they drink and smoke like there's no tomorrow. That's not healthy.. I don't care if the scales say I'm 70 lbs heavier than they are, I think my insides are in better shape than theirs. I mean, my insides might be covered in a slight layer of fat, but they're all good. (At least according to my last physical exam.. lol)

Also, people who are happy with themselves have a very low tendency to overeat or binge on food when they're upset. So I really don't get why you think just because someone is happy with their body that they'll just go and eat McDonald's everyday or sit in front of the TV stuffing themselves. Last time I checked, that's not what a happy, content person is like. Being happy with yourself is not an end. It's a start to a healthier, happier you. Because if I'm happy and content with my body and how I look, then that would be more motivation for me to take better care of it and maintain it the way it is, wouldn't it? I mean..

P.S. I didn't say you said everybody should chase after the model / hollywood ideal. What I was trying to say (especially with the video) was that that's what society keeps bombarding us with. That's mostly the reason why we're unhappy with ourselves and our bodies. The documentary is helpful as a reminder, an eye-opener, and a break from all of that. It's not about it being okay to be unhealthy. It's about being okay with not looking like that model on a magazine cover or that guy from the gym..

P.P.S. If it should seem that we will never see eye to eye on this, then I must suggest we agree to disagree..



I think most people would assume that the smaller person is the healthier person. Of course after googling female waist sizes (bet that'll be an interesting explanation if someone asked about the search history), I see that there's not that much disparity in these, 3" or so is what I got so my example was poor. I should've just said obese or something, but I digress. In a normal scenario of a 400lb. person versus say a 150lb. person, the assumption pretty much every single time is that the 150 lb. person is healthier. Unless the 150lber looks like they love crack or something, but let's not get crazy.

But I can agree to disagree. Always up for a good debate. Well, good is subjective here I guess, douchebag approach is probably the view I look to have taken. But good times nonetheless.
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To be fair, all I see are people accepting people who gained weight a bit. As for skinny people, I sometimes see them get ridiculed more than fatter people. Heck, I even got ridiculed by people because of my skinny body. Though overall, I think we should all should just feel apathy for it. Let her do whatever she wants, if she's comfortable with it, let her be. It's not even a lot of weight she has, so unless she goes in the obese range, then I think it's fine for what she's doing.
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I'm gonna share a bit of a workout with you all... I run a 3 day split and this part is my cardio routine...

Make a playlist about 10min long filled with songs ranging from 2-3 minutes each (I like using https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRfVKrC0nfc ) and circuit train between a stair-climber (or squats/dead-lifts) and light dumbbell. You alternate between the two when the song changes and for the dumbbells you do various exercises (curls, shoulder press, extensions, 90° arm swings, punches, anything you can think of...)

After the playlist is over you take a 2-5min resting period (depending on your ability) and repeat for a total of 3 sets.
Don't overdo it with the dumbbell weight (I use a mere 5lbs), this is not the upper body strength day of the split...

As you gain more endurance tweak the intervals to keep it challenging.

[edit: don't forget to stretch and warm up!]
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Her story is a bit interesting. I will say for myself that my self image has always been terrible. Even when I was at the peak of my athleticism, with very little body fat and full on lean muscle, I still thought I looked terrible. Even with a little bit of flub, I fell morbidly obese.

I still feel that way. I work out constantly. I work out because it makes me feel good when I do it, as a swimmer in the past and a triathlete now, I feel at home in the water and I always feel at ease and so much better after a rigorous workout. But I will also admit that I am slightly obsessed with trying to make my body look good.

I am single and while I'm not exactly looking for a girlfriend right now (work conditions don't really permit it), I want the girl I'm eventually with to think that I'm sexy. I want to be the nerdy guy who's surprisingly hot, and break the stereotype that anime watchers/mmo players are basement dwelling, neckbearded ogres that can only function in front of a computer screen.

It's a bit of an inferiority complex situation really, I think everyone else is way better looking than I am so I end up becoming obsessed with forming myself to be better than everyone else, even if I will never feel that I am. But I have very little doubt that if I gained a significant amount of body fat that I would be hugely, hugely uncomfortable with myself.
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Just finished watching the video.

Yes it's nice and heart warming to tell women that they are beautiful no matter what type of body they are in. Insecurities such as after pregnancy stretch marks, breast cancer removal, cellulite, ect. are things many women have to deal with. However, when it comes to being OVER weight, or OBESE, that's an entirely different issue which is considered a major health problem. Nobody should tell the public that being "big" or "overweight" is okay..especially when it comes to the younger generations. As for adults..the rates have doubled since 1980, from 15 to 30 percent. In just 34 years that number has doubled. I can't tell you how many sets of overweight parents I've seen with obese children.

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Just finished watching the video.

Yes it's nice and heart warming to tell women that they are beautiful no matter what type of body they are in. Insecurities such as after pregnancy stretch marks, breast cancer removal, cellulite, ect. are things many women have to deal with. However, when it comes to being OVER weight, or OBESE, that's an entirely different issue which is considered a major health problem. Nobody should tell the public that being "big" or "overweight" is okay..especially when it comes to the younger generations. As for adults..the rates have doubled since 1980, from 15 to 30 percent. In just 34 years that number has doubled. I can't tell you how many sets of overweight parents I've seen with obese children.



I do think that the CDC needs to officially adopt a new method to track obesity since those current numbers are skewed by the BMI standards, it has some people taking doctors as a joke (and some of them should, but not all) when they claim someone is obese. The numbers are skewed by muscular athletic people with similar physiques to running backs, receivers, linebackers, basketball players, all kinds of power athletes... by having such wildly inaccurate data people aren't taking the problem as seriously as they should.

Remove those false positives and the data will show that truly obese people have a much higher rate of health problems.
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DollyDagger11 wrote:

Just finished watching the video.

Yes it's nice and heart warming to tell women that they are beautiful no matter what type of body they are in. Insecurities such as after pregnancy stretch marks, breast cancer removal, cellulite, ect. are things many women have to deal with. However, when it comes to being OVER weight, or OBESE, that's an entirely different issue which is considered a major health problem. Nobody should tell the public that being "big" or "overweight" is okay..especially when it comes to the younger generations. As for adults..the rates have doubled since 1980, from 15 to 30 percent. In just 34 years that number has doubled. I can't tell you how many sets of overweight parents I've seen with obese children.



I do think that the CDC needs to officially adopt a new method to track obesity since those current numbers are skewed by the BMI standards, it has some people taking doctors as a joke (and some of them should, but not all) when they claim someone is obese. The numbers are skewed by muscular athletic people with similar physiques to running backs, receivers, linebackers, basketball players, all kinds of power athletes... by having such wildly inaccurate data people aren't taking the problem as seriously as they should.

Remove those false positives and the data will show that truly obese people have a much higher rate of health problems.


Didn't think outside the box on that part at all. I'll have to agree on this.
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No point getting sexy if your face needs a paper bag.






There are two types of people that will tell you you're fat:
1. People that love you.
2. Dicks

If you are telling yourself you're fat, you should figure out if you love yourself or are just being dick-ish, then go from there.
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There are two types of people that will tell you you're fat:
1. People that love you.
2. Dicks

If you are telling yourself you're fat, you should figure out if you love yourself or are just being dick-ish, then go from there.


I'm having some horrible flashbacks right about now, some Billy Joe's, some Aaron Brooks, some no names who ate themselves out of the league... Faint glimmers of hope followed by crushing reality... Good thing Drew vanquished the 'Aints...

So how would they go about shutting up the dick inside of them anyway? That is some good insight though, no one should know your body than yourself... ask yourself not how you look but how you feel (physically).
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plaidypuss wrote:



There are two types of people that will tell you you're fat:
1. People that love you.
2. Dicks

If you are telling yourself you're fat, you should figure out if you love yourself or are just being dick-ish, then go from there.


I'm having some horrible flashbacks right about now, some Billy Joe's, some Aaron Brooks, some no names who ate themselves out of the league... Faint glimmers of hope followed by crushing reality... Good thing Drew vanquished the 'Aints...

So how would they go about shutting up the dick inside of them anyway? That is some good insight though, no one should know your body than yourself... ask yourself not how you look but how you feel (physically).


I've always had a soft spot for 'Aints fans. They knew times were rough, but they still showed up. It's easy to be a front-runner or bandwagon fan, because loving success is easy and convenient. It's hard to love a loser while it's losing, but there's an honesty to that love.

I ballooned to over 250 after a series of back and knee injuries. I gave up on my body and let myself go. There were times when I would look at myself in disgust and overdo it working out, which was a terrible approach with back problems and internal hemorrhoids, I would find myself with ridiculous back pain on the toilet shitting blood. I decided not to approach my situation with honesty not disgust. I accepted I was fat, and that I had a challenge in front of me, with the limitations I had. I worked out modestly at first, dropped to 225. I made one simple change in my diet, choosing to drink unsweetened tea, black coffee and water instead of sugary beverages like soda or juice (I still drink alcohol and indulge my sweet tooth), and dropped to 215. I work out in moderation now, and my weight swings between the 205-210 range. I don't check the scale too often, as it can be discouraging, and weight only provides one piece of information, and that piece isn't all that important to me. There are only three things that are of concern to me: how I feel after a workout; how my body feels in the morning; and how my body looks compared to how it looked in the past.

I am still fat, and still have that momentary shock when I see my naked body when I get out of the shower. I am OK with it, because it's better than it was in the past, and it will be better in the future.

Aaron Brooks and Joe Horn tasted the playoffs at least.
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How about you? What are your thoughts on this issue?

Subjectively IDC

Objectively, it's bad for your knees


http://www.webmd.com/osteoarthritis/features/6-ways-to-ruin-your-knees?page=2

2. Being overweight.

Every pound of body weight yields five pounds of force on the knee, so even 10 extra pounds can put a considerable load on those joints.

Being overweight also increases your chances of osteoarthritis in the knee, a common and often disabling form of arthritis that wears away the knee's cushiony cartilage. Excess pounds also cause existing arthritis to worsen more rapidly. According to the CDC, two out of three obese adults suffer from knee osteoarthritis at some time in their life.

Although diet and exercise are critical for weight loss, it's a double-edged sword.

"If your knees hurt, it's harder to lose weight through exercise,” says Metzl. So he recommends activities that go easy on the knee.

For example, opt for a stationary bike over running on the treadmill, and walk on a flat surface instead of hilly turf. If you're a die-hard treadmill fan, then go for longer sessions of walking punched with brief intervals of brisk walking or running every three to five minutes, DiNubile says.
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GreatLordBalzak wrote:



I'm having some horrible flashbacks right about now, some Billy Joe's, some Aaron Brooks, some no names who ate themselves out of the league... Faint glimmers of hope followed by crushing reality... Good thing Drew vanquished the 'Aints...

So how would they go about shutting up the dick inside of them anyway? That is some good insight though, no one should know your body than yourself... ask yourself not how you look but how you feel (physically).


I've always had a soft spot for 'Aints fans. They knew times were rough, but they still showed up. It's easy to be a front-runner or bandwagon fan, because loving success is easy and convenient. It's hard to love a loser while it's losing, but there's an honesty to that love.

I ballooned to over 250 after a series of back and knee injuries. I gave up on my body and let myself go. There were times when I would look at myself in disgust and overdo it working out, which was a terrible approach with back problems and internal hemorrhoids, I would find myself with ridiculous back pain on the toilet shitting blood. I decided not to approach my situation with honesty not disgust. I accepted I was fat, and that I had a challenge in front of me, with the limitations I had. I worked out modestly at first, dropped to 225. I made one simple change in my diet, choosing to drink unsweetened tea, black coffee and water instead of sugary beverages like soda or juice (I still drink alcohol and indulge my sweet tooth), and dropped to 215. I work out in moderation now, and my weight swings between the 205-210 range. I don't check the scale too often, as it can be discouraging, and weight only provides one piece of information, and that piece isn't all that important to me. There are only three things that are of concern to me: how I feel after a workout; how my body feels in the morning; and how my body looks compared to how it looked in the past.

I am still fat, and still have that momentary shock when I see my naked body when I get out of the shower. I am OK with it, because it's better than it was in the past, and it will be better in the future.

Aaron Brooks and Joe Horn tasted the playoffs at least.


Hey, that's progress, at the end of the day you just got to control what you can control. If you try to do too much it could backfire. I tore my achillies around this time last year and it took what seemed like forever to heal... I attacked the rehab perhaps too aggressively. I had a grade 3 turf toe injury last month at work and that extra month of recovery actually seemed to give my achilles that last bit of extra rest it needed. I am able to work out at full intensity again with no soreness there. I do have quite a bit of fat to lose now, I know my legs got weak yet I am the same weight as last year... that got replaced by fat.

Aaron Brooks and crew in retrospect may have not been so great but at the time they just brought so much excitment... and of course this happened http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-orleans-saints/0ap2000000148880/Saints-river-city-relay only to miss the extra point lol
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