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I get the feeling some of the anime fans might be asking for too much.
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Six dollars a month?

Either Thfelese rounds down everything or doesn't have a good memory for numbers.



Probably both?
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Meh, opinions. Most people like to talk like they know what they want, but they also like to believe they are 'better' than most people. If you like something that is fine; if you don't like something that is fine also. Rather than asking for too much, people just like to be backseat drivers. Perhaps if everything needs to match all of one's preferences then for sure they are asking too much.
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qualeshia3 wrote:Some of you feel like things are lacking while others do not. The constant cliches, censorship in some anime, and lack of originality is getting most of you down. Some of you feel like Japan isn't even trying anymore while some others do not. The point being is that anime is obviously changing and some things are losing what it use to be. Now, anime is nothing but a business. Is there still originality? Will there be some borderline? Are we asking too much? Is anime(popularity wise) as large as we think it is?


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1. How do you feel about how anime is now vs. in the past?

2. What are your feeling towards this?



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I personally don't care about originality. As long as it is well executed and I'm entertained I'm ok. Anime may have quite a large viewership all around the world but even as of now but the vast majority of it's viewership is still stuck watching the mainstream stuff. Also even as of now people still think anime is for kids... and I don't think that view is gonna change any time soon.

1. I like new animes way more than the older titles. Not to say the old shows are bad but IMO anime is just getting better.
2. It's sad really. I know that being in the anime industry can be quite brutal I just hope that that is only for A-1. Certainly hoping way better conditions for my other favored studios.
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Rounded the number.
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Rounded the number.



Ah.
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Having only three days off in Six months is insane and working til 4am and the employer not letting you go home is equally insane. Then you hear of HXH going on a two year sabbatical. Some things don't add up. Some are haves and others have nots and I'm guessing that its just the same in the US (Haves and Have NOTS). I would just say that NGNL/HXH/AOTT should be a testament to how to present a series. If you have a story, everything else is easy. A1-Pictures was one of those that concentrated on getting out graphics to compensate.
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Shin Sekai Yorihad a horrifically bad final arc

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Wait...did people actually think this? I thought the final arc was wonderful...the middle section got a little iffy at times but it really brought it together in the end. I'd be quite interested to hear your more in depth thoughts about this...

To be fair, I think this. I'm not sure about anyone else. But it was just so dumb. The first cour was beautifully subtle horror, it dealt wonderfully with The Shadow between what a person or society claims to be and what they actually are. That creeping, existential horror that culminated in episodes 10-12 was incredible.

After that it went downhill. The existential internal horror was replaced by a physical external horror, a monster to be fought rather than an inescapable trap of human existence. They swapped H.P. Lovecraft for some cheap thriller. It was just hackneyed. The only episode that got close to the first cour from the second was the hospital one.

Saki was also out of character for the whole final arc as well, she went from someone troubled by all these things she didn't know and weighing it against the "necessary evil" upon which her village is built, to a cliched college chick in a slasher movie. Which was entirely off base and wrecked the Lovecraftian atmosphere they'd built.

It was a cheap copout that undermined the whole show and had me facepalming nonstop through the final arc. Saki's final battle shouldn't have been against an external threat trying to overthrow humanity, it should've been against someone on the inside who represented humanity's darkness. A Hannibal Lecter or John Kramer.

It should've highlighted the "necessary evil" that the village was complicit with, and challenged Saki with it. They key being that the future is unknown. What choice will Saki make, not knowing what that choice will bring? Against the monster rats, all the outcomes were obvious, as was its hamfisted attempt at social commentary.

And that commentary was something utterly obvious and completely unchallenging to the viewer. The first cour engaged us (or at least me) by presenting a shrouded situation where a system existed, and the repercussions of that system were slowly explored. But it questioned if the system was necessary, which was an unknown.

The second cour ditched all that and took an easy way out by jumping tracks.


Anyway, Shin Sekai Yori went into its final episodes neck and neck with Psycho-Pass as my favorite show from 2012, so this failing (as I see it) really stuck out to me. Which is what I was getting at, the harder you try and the more serious you get, the more careful you have to be to follow through. This bait and switch just grinds my teeth.
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The moment you consider anime as a business, and as a business only, you start to give up on the potential of the medium to become art.
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The moment you consider anime as a business, and as a business only, you start to give up on the potential of the medium to become art.

Hmm, what about if it has source material and it is merely an anime adaption. Assuming we consider the source to be "art", can't the adaptation be "art" for it's characters, plot, and themes?
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All I ask from anime is to let me watch it in peace.


similarly, all i ask from anime is to entertain me

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AnimeKami wrote:

All I ask from anime is to let me watch it in peace.


similarly, all i ask from anime is to entertain me



Good to know.
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Now, anime is nothing but a business.


I'm very sad that you feel this way, even with practical realities considered. I consider anime to be art, which is simultaneously a business and a vital cultural institution.


Is there still originality?


Yep. I can't immediately call to memory an example of another series which parodies the Japanese education system the way Baka and Test does. Then there's to consider exploration of the topic of hikikomori in Welcome to the NHK and otaku (in the Japanese sense) in Watamote. Moribito offered a refreshing angle on female protagonists, so that's four examples right there.

If one is concerned that anime is in a rut, that it doesn't present any differences, I want you to watch Lucky Star and Watamote back to back, comparing the way Tomoko is presented to the way Konata is presented. Compare the tone, the way people see them, the way they react to people, everything you can. It's a pretty radical difference in perspective on otaku, isn't it? One is a loving prod at the character's eccentricities, an endearing portrayal which might even be considered a celebration in some ways. The other is very negative, highlighting every weakness, every flaw, and magnifying every oddity to increase the character's surreal nature.


Are we asking too much?


No. The problem isn't that people are asking too much, it's that they're missing how much variety is already there. Audiences should never, ever be shy about demanding more. What they need to do as they do so is to keep in mind what is possible and whether or not their interests are already effectively satisfied by some other series (obscure though it may be).


Is anime(popularity wise) as large as we think it is?


How should we measure popularity? You've asked a pretty multi-layered question, and I'd like to be on common terms from the outset.


How do you feel about how anime is now vs. in the past?


I'm as enthusiastic about anime as I've ever been, which is to say a lot.
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New anime that aren't taken place in a high school and that one character with that generic, overuse, ''moe'' voice isn't used would be fantastic!
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One man's garbage is another man's gold.


As far as I'm concerned, anime doesn't have to be anything in particular. It can be whatever it wants to be. No matter what a particular anime does, there will be people who love it and people who hate it. For some anime, there will be more of the former; for other anime, there will be more of the latter. If you're going to make people mad no matter what you do, you might as well just do whatever you want to do.

Personally, I value execution more than concept. I've seen shows with ridiculous concepts that, in my opinion, have been executed very well (e.g., Girls und Panzer, Henneko), and vice versa (e.g., Attack on Titan, Hamatora). I know some people might be mad about that last comparison, but keep in mind that it's just my opinion. So I would much prefer a cliché concept with unique execution than a unique concept with cliché execution, and I've been seeing a lot of the former in recent anime. I only truly got into anime in recent years, so I can't make a fair comparison to older anime.

I appreciate the amount of work animators put into a production, especially for an anime I really love, but I would never ask them to push themselves that hard. For me, anime is a form of entertainment. It's my primary form of entertainment, but it's still just entertainment; it's not worth having people work themselves literally to death just to make a good or even an amazing anime. It could be unanimously considered the greatest anime there ever was and ever will be, and it still wouldn't be worth it.

Those are my thoughts.
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To be fair, I think this. I'm not sure about anyone else. But it was just so dumb. The first cour was beautifully subtle horror, it dealt wonderfully with The Shadow between what a person or society claims to be and what they actually are. That creeping, existential horror that culminated in episodes 10-12 was incredible.

After that it went downhill. The existential internal horror was replaced by a physical external horror, a monster to be fought rather than an inescapable trap of human existence. They swapped H.P. Lovecraft for some cheap thriller. It was just hackneyed. The only episode that got close to the first cour from the second was the hospital one.

Saki was also out of character for the whole final arc as well, she went from someone troubled by all these things she didn't know and weighing it against the "necessary evil" upon which her village is built, to a cliched college chick in a slasher movie. Which was entirely off base and wrecked the Lovecraftian atmosphere they'd built.

It was a cheap copout that undermined the whole show and had me facepalming nonstop through the final arc. Saki's final battle shouldn't have been against an external threat trying to overthrow humanity, it should've been against someone on the inside who represented humanity's darkness. A Hannibal Lecter or John Kramer.

It should've highlighted the "necessary evil" that the village was complicit with, and challenged Saki with it. They key being that the future is unknown. What choice will Saki make, not knowing what that choice will bring? Against the monster rats, all the outcomes were obvious, as was its hamfisted attempt at social commentary.

And that commentary was something utterly obvious and completely unchallenging to the viewer. The first cour engaged us (or at least me) by presenting a shrouded situation where a system existed, and the repercussions of that system were slowly explored. But it questioned if the system was necessary, which was an unknown.

The second cour ditched all that and took an easy way out by jumping tracks.


Anyway, Shin Sekai Yori went into its final episodes neck and neck with Psycho-Pass as my favorite show from 2012, so this failing (as I see it) really stuck out to me. Which is what I was getting at, the harder you try and the more serious you get, the more careful you have to be to follow through. This bait and switch just grinds my teeth.


That is quite the interesting take on things and I can certainly see what you are saying. I suppose the reason why I enjoyed the second half so much is because I really bit hard on the whole storyline with Mamoru and Maria. Their interactions with the monster rats and the ending outcome of that whole scenario still make me cringe whenever I think about them. Thinking about it though, a lot of the second half of the show did play things by the book where it could have been much stronger. However, I do think it played with these conventions the best it could and did things with them that made the show still very good.
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